Care to link up the story you're using as a source?Something in the cities budget is forcing these kind of stupid decisions. This is one of the biggest cities in the states, not a small town where understandably budgets are tighter.
This isn't a city beatification program, painting the cities garbage bins, it's essential services, how can this not be funded?
Last year saw historic rains in Los Angeles which caused considerable growth of chaparral. This year's historic drought dried it all up setting the stage for this. I figure it wasn't the best time to do repairs on that reservoir, based on running this through my logic but I know nothing more than what I said here, i.e. next to nothing. An investigation is being launched on all this.No money doesn't contain 100 mph winds. However cutting back and thinning chaparral through either controlled burns or with equipment does cost money. From my viewpoint in Southern CA, the CA government and the Federal government at all level's hasn't done a great job of thinning the fuel for this fires. It is slowly getting better but we will continue to see these types of fires until the government gets serious about removing fuel before the fires.
A well known carcinogen.Time to start mixing asbestos into the stucco
Last year saw historic rains in Los Angeles which caused considerable growth of chaparral. This year's historic drought dried it all up setting the stage for this. I figure it wasn't the best time to do repairs on that reservoir, based on running this through my logic but I now nothing more than what I said here, i.e. next to nothing. An investigation is being launched on all this.
To do sufficient controlled burns in the urban environment you need buy in to have smoke in the air more or less constantly. The fuels have to be in prescription which is incredibly rare in southern California. And, most difficult of all, folks have to agree to having their yards thinned before firefighters can light a controlled burn. This week’s fires might provide the political will to move on controlled burns on a larger scale but I doubt it.Then you need to do controlled burns. I thin stuff all the time around my property which would be considered chaparral. Some places in CA have had good success with using goats to think back chaparral. It either needs to be thinned out or you going to have more of these types of fires which cost billions of dollar.
Looks like assclown's avatar is Pepe the frog?Care to link up the story you're using as a source?
The amount of people in the comment section who are armchair experts in climate change denial-ism is alarming.This is a really good read at The New York Times.
This link will work to get anyone through the paywall for 14 days, i.e. until January 25, 2025:
Opinion | As a Climate Scientist, I Knew It Was Time to Leave Los Angeles
After the Bobcat fire, the area no longer felt safe.www.nytimes.com
You don't? MAGA refuses to accept that American Democracy should continue to exist. So MAGA pretends free and fair elections are fake. MAGA calls our Democracy fake. MAGA tried to overturn the election and overthrow the government on Jan 6th, 2021, in a violent use of force with a rioting mob breaking into and damaging the US Capitol. MAGA only tried to find and murder Vice President Mike Pence.Lord some people never cease to amaze me at what assholes people can be. I for one am Happy for those that didn't loose everything /anything. But then again I don't hate people just because they have different beliefs than I.
I have no doubt this will also apply to "regular" homes for rent in the area as well. With so many people suddenly in the market for someplace to rent...rents will spike.Rental housing prices in L.A. are spiking as historic fires burn in Southern California, forcing thousands of residents who’ve lost homes to scramble to find a new place to live.
LAist spotted one Zillow listing for a furnished home in Bel Air that was posted Saturday morning at $29,500 per month. That’s a nearly 86% price hike from September 2024 according to the listing’s price history, which shows the home previously listed for $15,900 per month.
When an LAist reporter called the listing agent, Fiora Aston with Compass, she said dozens of prospective tenants who’ve lost homes to the fires have been contacting her about this and other listings on L.A.’s Westside. When LAist asked why the advertised rent for the Bel Air home had risen so sharply, she said she was getting another call and hung up.
“It's crazy,” Aston said, before ending the call. “I've been in the business for 35 years. I've never seen anything like this. People are desperate. There’s so many families without a house.”
LAist reached out to Compass’ media relations team about the listing in Bel Air, but did not immediately receive a response. By Saturday afternoon, the listing had been removed. Aston texted later that afternoon that a family member had moved in. LAist asked to interview the family member and property owner, but Aston declined.
California has laws against post-disaster price gouging
Gov. Gavin Newsom has declared a state of emergency in connection with the Palisades Fire, which has already destroyed an estimated 5,000 structures in upscale neighborhoods near L.A.’s coastline. The governor’s emergency declaration includes a ban on price gouging, which is defined as any price increase of more than 10% compared to pre-disaster prices.
California Attorney General Rob Bonta told LAist partner KCAL News earlier this week that the ban on price gouging applies to housing as well as other essential goods like food, transportation and medical supplies. Bonta said residents should report suspected price gouging through his office’s website.
“If prices look really out of whack — if they look like they've increased from what you're used to — report it to us,” Bonta said. “We'll take it from there. We'll evaluate it. We'll hold folks accountable and enforce if necessary.”
Rental listing price histories show post-fire spikes
Journalists for other outlets have reported on listings where asking rents have jumped in the wake of the fires. The New York Times reviewed Zillow listings on L.A.’s Westside and found asking rents rising between 15% and 64% since Tuesday. One agent reportedly lowered the asking rent on a property in Encino from $11,500 per month to $9,800 after a journalist with the Los Angeles Times asked why the asking rent had risen nearly 28% in recent days.
UCLA urban planning and public policy professor Michael Lens said he expects L.A. rents — already considered unaffordable for many families — to be driven up by the immediate influx of people all looking for scarce housing at the same time.
“It will put a squeeze, especially on the adjacent communities,” Lens said. “That might be particularly acute from the Palisades effect on the Westside.”
Details of the Bel Air listing
Located on Casiano Road in Bel Air, the four-bedroom home that was listed on Zillow at $29,500 was described online as a “fully furnished, meticulously restored Mid-Century Modern home.” That listing described the home as “perched in a serene canyon setting” with “breathtaking views of the surrounding landscape, including the iconic Getty Museum.”
The home is currently located in an evacuation warning zone due to the ongoing spread of the Palisades Fire. Aston told LAist the home was not being shown in person due to those warnings. “We decided we're not going to be doing any showing until next week,” Aston said.
She said the owner had taken it off the market a few months ago, but later decided to list it again.
“When this whole situation happened, I told her… people are desperate, and you can probably get good money,” Aston said. “She has a second home, so she moved into her second home, and this house is for lease.”
After Aston disconnected the call, LAist texted her to ask if she was familiar with California’s disaster-related price gouging law. She texted back, “Sorry can not talk right now,” then mentioned another listing in Mar Vista where she said one person offered $10,000 above the $15,000 asking rent.
She ended her text, saying, “Supply & demand.”
You are saying they are denialists? I'm personally nothing like that. I'm a literal foot soldier in the battle to save the planet for humanity. I'm wondering, however, if we're gonna be up to the tasks.The amount of people in the comment section who are armchair experts in climate change denial-ism is alarming.
That's a very good question. The simple answer is poor leadership, though I'm sure it goes much deeper than that. California has had a few catastrophic fires over the years, they all end with a lot of finger pointing and not much action.Something in the cities budget is forcing these kind of stupid decisions. This is one of the biggest cities in the states, not a small town where understandably budgets are tighter.
This isn't a city beatification program, painting the cities garbage bins, it's essential services, how can this not be funded?
As much as everyone enjoys calling Trump an idiot for the statement, he's right, the first step in preventing fires is removing the combustible material. It appears that no one want's to take that step.
Serious question how do you deal with fast growing brush because of a really wet year followed by a very dry year? Are you advocating for massive variable spending from year to year to make sure each acre is cleared?That's a very good question. The simple answer is poor leadership, though I'm sure it goes much deeper than that. California has had a few catastrophic fires over the years, they all end with a lot of finger pointing and not much action.
As much as everyone enjoys calling Trump an idiot for the statement, he's right, the first step in preventing fires is removing the combustible material. It appears that no one want's to take that step.
MAGA fire theorem follows their economic theorem. It is not real, they're going to to latch onto half truths (at best) and twist them into pretending they have a plan. Then, like a pigeon playing chess, they'll shit all over everyone else. That's how their hate driven propaganda works. Telling us they have a solution, while offering none. Attacking others for not being loyal to them and their "solution".Serious question how do you deal with fast growing brush because of a really wet year followed by a very dry year? Are you advocating for massive variable spending from year to year to make sure each acre is cleared?
It would actually take more than the relevant dry season to accomplish that task. The best you could do is create firebreaks (which they do). The volume is too great.That's a very good question. The simple answer is poor leadership, though I'm sure it goes much deeper than that. California has had a few catastrophic fires over the years, they all end with a lot of finger pointing and not much action.
As much as everyone enjoys calling Trump an idiot for the statement, he's right, the first step in preventing fires is removing the combustible material. It appears that no one want's to take that step.
That’s just DEI wokism speaking. The left doesn’t want you to know that grinding it up and inhaling it protects people from so called COIVD and Bird Flu.A well known carcinogen.
Shit turn it all into grasslands and still watch what happens with low single digit humidity, months of no moisture, heat, and 80-100 mph winds.It would actually take more than the relevant dry season to accomplish that task. The best you could do is create firebreaks (which they do). The volume is too great.
You could employ half the state for this one task and still likely not accomplish enough to prevent major fires. You'd have to clearcut the entire state's forest and change the ecology of the entire area to accomplish that task.
If you actually clearcut those forests it'd probably turn into something like the serbian steppes, insufficient moisture for significant plant life. It'd all burn once a year but there wouldn't be enough volume for the firestorms we see now.Shit turn it all into grasslands and still watch what happens with low single digit humidity, months of no moisture, heat, and 80-100 mph winds.
Slightly different story but the same result.
Removing combustibles also takes away necessary parts of the eco system.That's a very good question. The simple answer is poor leadership, though I'm sure it goes much deeper than that. California has had a few catastrophic fires over the years, they all end with a lot of finger pointing and not much action.
As much as everyone enjoys calling Trump an idiot for the statement, he's right, the first step in preventing fires is removing the combustible material. It appears that no one want's to take that step.
Lol don’t give the orange monkey ideasYou'd have to clearcut the entire state's forest and change the ecology of the entire area to accomplish that task.
You want to completely devastate the hillsides / mountains.A really bad idea but maybe pour seawater on the areas in the vicinity of the residential areas? The salinity should thwart growth of unwanted plant life?