But games do not care much about more cores.
6c/12t full cores can run all games out there without bottlenecking a 4090.
8c/16t give a decent reserve of CPU resources.
By the time games start using more than 8 cores to any significant degree, you will be better buying whatever is state of the art then than running some 8+ cores CPU from 2024/2025.
Well you may be on to something saying problematic cores. My hope was they would fix this and I could get 12 P core Bartlett Lake.That's still very much a rumor. I see no benefit in Intel making a new die of a soon to be outdated, problematic core. We also don't know what clocks might be before they run into a power limit. I expect ARL and Zen 5 to perform better injust aboutevery scenario. Consoles are limited to 8 Zen 2 cores so I don't know what you think you are missing out on.
I forgot all about that! If Barty Lakey has AVX-512 enabled and it has 12 P-cores, Imma buyin' it, degradation or no degradation!Either way Intel smart to release it as they have a budget platform that would kick AMD's tail on AM4 on LGA 1700 with a choice of at least 10 P cores and AVX512 and reliable unlike the disaster of Raptor Lake.
I forgot all about that! If Barty Lakey has AVX-512 enabled and it has 12 P-cores, Imma buyin' it, degradation or no degradation!
I think they may release the 2455X in an LGA1700 package with two memory channels/AMX disabled. But if they deliver AVX-512 AND AMX, WOW WOW WOW!!!!
I'll restrain myself now because I'm totally not optimistic about Intel giving AMX or even AVX-512 to peasants but one can dream and maybe manifest?
Xeon IS stable because it undergoes far more validation testing.What is this obsession with Xeon and AVX512? Both are useless right now.
What Intel needs is stability and a roadmap which is far more important to Intel and it’s customers.
What is this obsession with Xeon and AVX512? Both are useless right now.
What Intel needs is stability and a roadmap which is far more important to Intel and it’s customers.
Xeon sapphire rapids beg to differ, it was the buggiest Xeon that Intel shipped. Intel’s validation team isn’t that good since they fired most of the good employees.Xeon IS stable because it undergoes far more validation testing.
AVX-512 for when you want to smirk seeing your PC score high on some obscure benchmark and for future-proofing
Yeah but there haven't been any reports of SR Xeons crapping out in the wild, right? It took them a lot of steppings (a dozen or so?) but they finally got it working without errorsThere used to be a time when Intel Xeons had the best QA checks, not anymore.
Yeah true.Yeah but there haven't been any reports of SR Xeons crapping out in the wild, right? It took them a lot of steppings (a dozen or so?) but they finally got it working without errors
With RPL-S/RPL-S-R, they seemed to have run CP2077 and GB6.3 and declared it worthy of release!
Didn't Intel recently said that they were actually going to release it?AND NO BARTLETT LAKE STILL!
I challenge you to cheer me up.
As long as it is 12P+0E, boots with minimum DDR5-8000 CL40, hits 5.5 GHz ST and at least 5.1 GHz all core even with HT+AVX-512 without throttling on a decent air cooler, I'll be satisfied.It is Alder Lake Refresh Refresh Refresh
Yeah, I can't cheer you up either. I had pretty much decided on moving to the 9950X from the 7950X because I expected a higher Zen5 uplift. I recognize the 9800X3D and 9950X3D are quite decent jumps, but the former is only 8c and the latter still has all the issues with scheduling. And no need to comment further about Intel WRT to its latest generation. I have no idea what to do actually, and the annoying part is CPU does matter increasingly now in games, so if we had better choices people would be eager to upgrade.9950X badly needs a newer, better IOD.
9950X3D, I don't expect any miracles from it since it's the same old 7950X3D formula with some new paint.
By that point, a used Strix Halo might be pretty cheap.So will have to wait for Medusa Halo instead, darn it.
Try not to get whiplash.I am going from FX8350 to 9800X3D!! Haha ppl.
I would be curious to see how Intel's R&D budget evolved between say 2014 and 2024, because surely when Ryzen first gen hit in 2017, that should have been a wake-up call and a pointer to their first mistake of resting on their laurels, then along came Apple M1 in approx 2020. I also wouldn't be surprised if a bunch of Intel's R&D people left because the company simply wasn't interested.If some former intern junior associate was responsible for AMD x3D, can you imagine how many junior engineers are ignored at Intel? Intel used to always have the next drool-inducing product ready for the competition. Now its stuck in senior design lock, the same stale looks at tried and true. No sense of adventure. Intel once had the best memory management. The lowest latency. The best system responsiveness. The highest frame rates. It wrote industrial standards. And now its tired.
The first years after Ryzen came to life were relatively easy for Intel, scaling grandpa Skylake was enough to stay competitive. Then came the Covid years... and Intel was in a very unique position at the time, their deprecated tech was in such high demand that they could not ship enough silicon to OEMs. They were swimming in money and therefore it was so easy to keep ignoring the writing on the wall.I would be curious to see how Intel's R&D budget evolved between say 2014 and 2024, because surely when Ryzen first gen hit in 2017, that should have been a wake-up call and a pointer to their first mistake of resting on their laurels, then along came Apple M1 in approx 2020.
I would be curious to see how Intel's R&D budget evolved between say 2014 and 2024, because surely when Ryzen first gen hit in 2017, that should have been a wake-up call and a pointer to their first mistake of resting on their laurels, then along came Apple M1 in approx 2020. I also wouldn't be surprised if a bunch of Intel's R&D people left because the company simply wasn't interested.
With Intel's level of resources, I would have expected a good counter to Ryzen by say 2020 instead of what appeared to be a long last gasp. Considering Intel's Goliath vs AMD's David in the era of nearly ten years ago, I fully expected AMD to produce a last gasp in response to Intel rather than the prize fighter that Ryzen has been. I wonder if Intel had expected the same and for AMD to run out of steam, allowing Intel to overtake them again, for things to be "back to normal".
Sure enough:
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source: https://www.statista.com/statistics/263562/intel-expenditure-on-research-and-development-since-2004/
Intel invested $108 billion in share buybacks between 2005 and 2020.
I wouldn't be surprised if Intel went chapter 11 within the next few years. Can't believe I wrote that but I don't see them becoming relevant again. Too many optimistic plans and forecasts and no delivery on the promises time-after-time. I fear the end is nigh for Intel. I hate feeling this way because I have been such a big fan for most of my life but the writing has been on the wall for quite a few years I just didn't want to read it.
It's getting painful to watch them wiggle and squirm as they fight being washed down the drain. Raptor Lake degradation issues. Then ARL performance issues and no supply for the 285K. 20A gone with the wind and an over reliance on TMSC follows. Finally a breath of air with Battlemage but basically a paper launch with no real supply. They just can't get it done the way the old Intel could. I have a feeling the upper level management knows it's over but are just going to ride it out, grab all the money they can on their way to the exit. We're probably in the middle of the death spiral about now.
I was so hopeful for Lunar Lake. So much hype but in the end nothing really amazing from a performance point-of-view. Same with ARL except for some disturbingly low scores in a bunch of applications, indicating some type of architectural flaw to me. Then some hope with Battlemage but no supply. Intel is defeated. Every person they put in front of a camera is a corporate shill, just towing the company line, the real passion and passioniate people are gone.
I have a feeling 18A will fail as well. They will put out tiny quantity of something just to pump stock prices but it will be meaningless to the overall health of the company. It's sad. The competition, AMD, TSMC, nVidia, Apple, to name a few have surpassed them and there is no chance of catching up. Intel is the Titanic that hit the iceberg and is in the process of sinking while the band plays on.