I've just ordered a Raspberry Pi 500

mikeymikec

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I'm just trying it out really, I want to see whether it might be suitable for some of my customers with basic needs. The software front (at least on paper) looks like it's pretty well covered, Raspberry Pi OS is basically a variation on Debian so I wouldn't have thought that long term support should be an issue. I'll do a write-up of my experiences with it when it arrives.

I have to say though that the computer-in-a-keyboard design pressed a few nostalgia buttons for me, its creator is apparently an Amiga 500 fan hence the model number
 

lxskllr

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This is pretty interesting to me. I've been wanting a tablet for work, but a touchscreen makes use a lot more difficult. A typical laptop is bulky. This would give me a "tablet" I can work with, and also have a real keyboard for typing. All for $200
 

mikeymikec

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My initial thoughts:

Hardware
I ordered a mini-HDMI to HDMI cable from PiHut because I don't have a mini-HDMI adapter in all my stuff. The cable is about 30-40cm log so it would probably make do most of the time, though I would have preferred a mini-HDMI to female HDMI socket, at which point one can plug in the HDMI cable they already have.

The Pi 500 is powered by USB-C and comes with a USB-C 27W power adapter with a moulded cable. I would have appreciated a socketed cable so that whatever length power cable can be more easily used. I realise that such power adapters are more commonplace these days, but these extra bits would have been more usable / re-usable if not for such limitations. The cable is about a metre long as well so it's not hugely generous.

The keyboard itself has been fine so far, feels like an average laptop keyboard.

Software
The OS boots up reasonably quickly, about 20 seconds I think. The initial setup insisted that my username should not have an initial capital letter (ooo-kay then!). No issues with user-friendliness there. It asked if I wanted to use Chromium or Firefox as my primary browser and also asked if I wanted to remove the other browser. It also did OS/software updates straight away which for newbie users is a good thing.

This Pi 500 came with 32GB storage which was 19% full at the point of getting to a usable desktop, which is a damn sight better than what one can expect for Windows. The user interface is spartan / simple, which makes sense given the limiting hardware. I immediately put the taskbar at the bottom of the screen (top is default) because that's my preference (easily done, right-click on taskbar, change option). The Start / app launcher menu is also very basic and simple.

Power options / sleep mode
Something that surprised me a bit was the lack of sleep mode as an option. You can shut down or restart. I also accidentally left the computer running for a bit and I was left with a black screen with something like 'plymouth-shutdown.service' so the only choice I felt I had was to hold down the power button until the computer switched off. IMO the lack of sleep mode is a serious oversight, and at some point I must leave this PC running for a while again just to see what happens. I haven't yet spotted options for switching the screen off after say 5 minutes either which would constitute a more serious oversight than the lack of sleep mode. Perhaps I could achieve both with a bit of Linux-Fu, but my initial perspective / plan for this computer was as the kind of device that could just be given to anyone and say "off you go!".

UI / browsing performance
UI responsiveness is generally fine. Firefox starts in about three seconds (I think Chromium starts quicker, though I would like to test that theory more thoroughly), and on one occasion when I closed Firefox and re-opened it, it evidently didn't have time to finish closing so it complained that it was already running. Web browsing performance I'd say is a match for some Athlon II X4 / Phenom II X4 AM3 Windows (or maybe a similar gen i3/i5) installs that I did for customers that have 8GB RAM and a decent SSD; I've definitely seen web pages load faster, but I think as long as performance is consistent then the only people it will bother are very impatient people. The fact that it runs Linux in my experience means that performance is likely to be very consistent. I would like to see if it would perform better with a decent NVMe drive instead of SD because I know for a fact that SD-booting Windows laptops perform noticeably worse than even the bottom-of-the-barrel NVMe drives that most big-name laptops come with. The Firefox install comes with UBlock Origin by default, kudos to whoever thought of that because I anticipated that being my first port of call!

Add / remove software and LibreOffice
I used the 'Add/Remove Software' feature in the app launcher menu to install LibreOffice, which was simply achieved. For some reason by default LO's UI was in dark mode so it had white text on a light-grey background with button art having white borders rather than black. I set it to CoLibre standard theme (it was set to CoLibre dark) and then it looked fine.

Conclusion of sorts
The vibe I'm getting is what I would expect from a Debian install: Needs polish. However let's say if your grandma needed a basic-use PC that isn't going to try and get you to store your soul in the cloud every 5 minutes and/or throw adverts at you and you have the inclination to change some options here and there to polish up the install a bit, I think it would work. The fact that it's running Linux and that the makers of the Pi 500 intend to continue production until something like 2031/2034 gives me confidence that long-term software support won't be an issue; had it been some other OS my concern would have been a scenario whereby an OS was produced and then abandoned a few years later.
 

balloonshark

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Eta prime made another video on the 500 yesterday.

He mentions he installs PI-Apps store to install apps at the 2:31 mark.

He mentioned leaving a link but I don't see the link anywhere or the line for its install.

The Pi 500 has a cool form factor but for the same money I think I would rather have a smallish used HP Elite Desk or Lenovo equivalent for basic desktop use and/or game emulation. I always surf with at least 5 tabs open and it just seems like browsers need extra power and ram to run smoothly. I would be curious to know how you get along surfing with multiple tabs open in firefox.
 

mikeymikec

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The Pi 500 has a cool form factor but for the same money I think I would rather have a smallish used HP Elite Desk or Lenovo equivalent for basic desktop use and/or game emulation. I always surf with at least 5 tabs open and it just seems like browsers need extra power and ram to run smoothly. I would be curious to know how you get along surfing with multiple tabs open in firefox.
I just had a quick look at new HP Elite Desks and they start at £600, so when you say "used", you've got to factor in the state of the hardware. Furthermore, I don't think it's particularly fair to compare something that was over 5x the price of this product. Of course I would prefer to use my 7800X3D rig! If there's going to be a comparison, it would be in a similar price bracket when new, and this Pi 500 is therefore logically going to be compared with super-low-end Windows PCs, Chromebooks etc: The kind of Windows PC with the lowest-end processors, 4GB (or 8GB if you're *really* lucky) non-upgradeable RAM, non-upgradeable SD-class storage, etc. The kind of PC that absolutely sucks to run Windows on.

The thing about Windows on low-end hardware is that Win10/11 64-bit are nigh-on guaranteed to be using between 2-4GB RAM just sitting idle, with peak scenarios I've seen of about 6GB RAM usage with a bloated OEM install. If the machine has a max of 8GB RAM that's a problem. Then with Windows you've got the OS randomly deciding to do update processing and general maintenance that chews any low-end processor up as well as RAM. Those are some pretty huge random factors that will get in the way of consistent performance.

I've just booted this Pi 500 and the RAM usage with nothing open is 404MB. Also, Linux in my experience doesn't just randomly decide to start using tonnes of resources. The OS on the Pi just asked me if I want to install updates (rather than chewing up lots of resources without any user feedback and then maybe the user gets a "I'd like to restart now" message). I've just opened tabs in Firefox for all the default shortcut buttons being Amazon, Nike, Jet2Holidays, BBC, Reddit, YouTube and FB and system memory usage now sits at 1.68GB, which is lower than Win10 22H2 / Win11 no matter how good a day it's having.
 
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lxskllr

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Seems like you could run the pi off a battery bank. Is that the case? What I like is it looks like you can make a (conventionally)less convenient laptop out of it, but would work particularly well for me out in the field.
 

mikeymikec

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Seems like you could run the pi off a battery bank. Is that the case? What I like is it looks like you can make a (conventionally)less convenient laptop out of it, but would work particularly well for me out in the field.

27W is unquestionably in the realm of laptopsville, though you would need to factor in a screen too if you intended to be completely mobile with it.
 
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balloonshark

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I just had a quick look at new HP Elite Desks and they start at £600, so when you say "used", you've got to factor in the state of the hardware. Furthermore, I don't think it's particularly fair to compare something that was over 5x the price of this product. Of course I would prefer to use my 7800X3D rig! If there's going to be a comparison, it would be in a similar price bracket when new, and this Pi 500 is therefore logically going to be compared with super-low-end Windows PCs, Chromebooks etc: The kind of Windows PC with the lowest-end processors, 4GB (or 8GB if you're *really* lucky) non-upgradeable RAM, non-upgradeable SD-class storage, etc. The kind of PC that absolutely sucks to run Windows on.

The thing about Windows on low-end hardware is that Win10/11 64-bit are nigh-on guaranteed to be using between 2-4GB RAM just sitting idle, with peak scenarios I've seen of about 6GB RAM usage with a bloated OEM install. If the machine has a max of 8GB RAM that's a problem. Then with Windows you've got the OS randomly deciding to do update processing and general maintenance that chews any low-end processor up as well as RAM. Those are some pretty huge random factors that will get in the way of consistent performance.

I've just booted this Pi 500 and the RAM usage with nothing open is 404MB. Also, Linux in my experience doesn't just randomly decide to start using tonnes of resources. The OS on the Pi just asked me if I want to install updates (rather than chewing up lots of resources without any user feedback and then maybe the user gets a "I'd like to restart now" message). I've just opened tabs in Firefox for all the default shortcut buttons being Amazon, Nike, Jet2Holidays, BBC, Reddit, YouTube and FB and system memory usage now sits at 1.68GB, which is lower than Win10 22H2 / Win11 no matter how good a day it's having.
Thanks for the info on browsing on the pi 5. In the past I bought a mini-pc with the j1900 processor and a cheap notebook with emcc storage and that is why I'm hesitant to buy another underpowered computer that would be used for surfing. Underpowered computers also don't age well imho. The Pi should fair much better with linux though.

I've been looking at one of those used mini-pcs with a ryzen 2400g (or better). It would wipe the floor with the Pi but like you said they are different animals. I think you may even be able to get a Pi sized device that has more power than the Pi. I've seen so many mini-pc videos that I can't remember who makes them. They even have x86 devices close to the Pi's size.

I would be curious to know how you like the Pi 500 long term. The Pi 5 did get a nice boost in power over the Pi 4.
 

terpsy

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I have been itching to build a pi5 with Pironman kit and throw AmiKit on it myself.

They just released the 16GB version this past week, and I am trying to recapture my Roots (Atari 800, Atari ST, and Amiga)
 
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