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Kaido

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Whoa


U.S. President Donald Trump on Tuesday announced a private sector investment of up to $500 billion to fund infrastructure for artificial intelligence, aiming to outpace rival nations in the business-critical technology.

Trump said that ChatGPT's creator OpenAI, SoftBank (9984.T), opens new tab and Oracle (ORCL.N), opens new tab are planning a joint venture called Stargate, which he said will build data centers and create more than 100,000 jobs in the United States.

brb off to apply for a Time Variance Authority position

 

Kaido

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Come on!! You had to see this coming!

I'm surprised it didn't happen sooner tbh

What's scary about AI is that I've never seen a new technology adopted faster by non-nerds, not even smartphones. I have ZERO clients not using AI. Everyone I talk to is using AI in really unique ways. One guy recorded his boss's voice so that he can make TV & radio commercials for their car dealership without tying up the boss's time. Another writes custom apps & designs the GUI's entirely in AI. Most people I know in Finance & Engineering have a ChatGPT window open 24/7.

I hope it's a net gain for humanity...
 
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RnR_au

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Software is eating the world...


The only thing real in this entire production is the director, Laszlo Gaal, talking about the 'on location experience'. Everything else is text to video generated with the next generation of Google Deepmind's Veo 2 text-to-video system - even the behind the scenes footage.

Won't be long before you can submit a script with a story board to get a full movie broken down by scenes... and then you can tinker with each scene.
 
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RnR_au

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btw this is a project from last year that Trump has dusted off so he can look good on Day 1 with a big project announcement.

March 29 (Reuters) - Microsoft (MSFT.O), and OpenAI are working on plans for a data center project that could cost as much as $100 billion and include an artificial intelligence supercomputer called "Stargate" set to launch in 2028, The Information reported on Friday.

From https://www.reuters.com/technology/...enter-project-information-reports-2024-03-29/
 
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Muse

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Oh, it's beautiful. Staggeringly wrong, but beautiful.
Seems to me AI is going to present "answers" to questions that are apparently genuine and correct but flawed. So, presented as satisfactory but not really trustworthy. I asked for a solution online (google search) to a problem a couple weeks ago and the AI generated answer may have worked but there was a far far simpler way of solving the problem. A human alerted me to this later in a reddit thread.
 

Chaotic42

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Seems to me AI is going to present "answers" to questions that are apparently genuine and correct but flawed. So, presented as satisfactory but not really trustworthy. I asked for a solution online (google search) to a problem a couple weeks ago and the AI generated answer may have worked but there was a far far simpler way of solving the problem. A human alerted me to this later in a reddit thread.
That's what makes it so dangerous - it looks right unless you know what it's talking about. These things generally don't say things like "I don't know", they just always couch their answers with soft language like "But there may be exceptions" or "Based on my training data".
 

Muse

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GenCast: Google’s DeepMind team released its latest weather prediction model this week, which outperforms a leading traditional weather prediction model across the vast majority of tests put before i

It's pretty obvious that AI is already a big part of weather forecasting. I go to weather.com every day to see hour by hour temperature, wind speed and direction at my location (well, close to it). This is clearly computer generated based on data, much of it satellite generated, some by earth and ocean censors, plus modeling systems. This goes out about 48 hours. I can go to 10 day if I want.

Calling this AI is a simplification. In reality it's big complex systems which are there because of human demands which are themselves complex, broad and overlapping.
 
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Muse

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That's what makes it so dangerous - it looks right unless you know what it's talking about. These things generally don't say things like "I don't know", they just always couch their answers with soft language like "But there may be exceptions" or "Based on my training data".
Yeah, it's one of the things I learned in school. How to sound smart when I'm really not. It's better to know what you're talking about.

It's only the last month or so I notice that answers to my google searches are noted as AI generated. In general they seem pretty good, but often lacking in some regards.
 
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Muse

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Artificial intelligence (AI) is a field of study that involves creating machines and computers that can perform tasks that usually require human intelligence. AI systems can learn, reason, and act in ways that would typically require human intelligence.

So, I saw something a month or so ago, don't remember where. Africans in some African country were subject to awful experiences in generating data to be used by AI. This would be in obvious contradiction to the assertion above that AI is acting in ways that would typically require human intelligence. Clearly, human involvement is sometimes necessary to make this happen and it's not always a positive experience for the humans. On the contrary, it can be awful.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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That's what makes it so dangerous - it looks right unless you know what it's talking about. These things generally don't say things like "I don't know", they just always couch their answers with soft language like "But there may be exceptions" or "Based on my training data".
I mean, most humans do that too, lol. I've said many incorrect things with absolute confidence and conviction.
 

Chaotic42

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I mean, most humans do that too, lol. I've said many incorrect things with absolute confidence and conviction.
I worry that a lot of people will think "It came from the computer so it must be right", without the nuance of source consideration. If my uncle says something about physics, I'll be skeptical, but if some astrophysics PhD says it, I'll probably just take it as true and move on. I don't know how well logical fallacy is being taught these days, I may just be worried about a bunch of nothing.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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I worry that a lot of people will think "It came from the computer so it must be right", without the nuance of source consideration. If my uncle says something about physics, I'll be skeptical, but if some astrophysics PhD says it, I'll probably just take it as true and move on. I don't know how well logical fallacy is being taught these days, I may just be worried about a bunch of nothing.
It's right to be worried about it, moreso if important people are taking it as truth without investigating it as such.

We definitely don't teach enough about logical reasoning as a rule, or at least we weren't when I was a kiddo.
 

Muse

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I mean, most humans do that too, lol. I've said many incorrect things with absolute confidence and conviction.
I learned and have practiced quite a lot hedging my statements to allow for my being wrong. FWIW, which may not be a lot!
 

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This has been my main concern about AI since the beginning. Whoever controls the best AI will rule the planet. As we have seen lately the people controlling AI have little to no humanity.

 

Muse

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I worry that a lot of people will think "It came from the computer so it must be right", without the nuance of source consideration. If my uncle says something about physics, I'll be skeptical, but if some astrophysics PhD says it, I'll probably just take it as true and move on. I don't know how well logical fallacy is being taught these days, I may just be worried about a bunch of nothing.
I wouldn't take anything about physics as true anymore, even coming from "some astrophysics PhD."


This grew out of my reading the Wikipedia page on String Theory, which is replete with information all of which appears to be contentious in various ways.
 
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Yes, as usual Turmp is taking credit for shit that was already being worked on. The change is that because they were losing steam and the ability to bankroll the investment needed, they're now convincing the government to foot the bill.

For anyone that was in the GPU subforum, this is probably where the 1.2million GPU supercomputer was coming from, only no one had the resources to build that, which is where this $500billion price tag is coming from.

This has been my main concern about AI since the beginning. Whoever controls the best AI will rule the planet. As we have seen lately the people controlling AI have little to no humanity.


Can't disagree more. It doesn't even matter about "best", it'll be who gets control first, which is why Musk, while constantly griping about the government, is going hard at getting government to help him (he absolutely realizes that it was government help that got Tesla and SpaceX where they are, and he's trying to overcome the deficit he dug by being a petty little bitch that threw a tantrum and gave up his OpenAI position), and FYI, they're already doing the things you fear, didn't even need AI to do it.

There's a reason why all the rich people love Turmp, because they thought he was going to ruin things for them, but instead he's enabled them far more because he's exactly like them. Same way all these "disruptors" suddenly are buddy buddy with the people they were disrupting, because it turns out they're all just greedy power hungry assholes, and they've been able to get more and more power at the expense of everyone else (so they didn't even have to actually compete it turns out).

I wouldn't take anything about physics as true anymore, even coming from "some astrophysics PhD."


This grew out of my reading the Wikipedia page on String Theory, which is replete with information all of which appears to be contentious in various ways.

The only reason you ever did is pure ignorance of your ignorance. The amount we don't know about stuff that people seem to think we know is astounding. And for a ton of it, all we've done in the decades since knowing how much we don't know is that we find out lots of theories we came up with to make sense of it have been atrociously wrong. We proved it with math, so now we're like "huh, uh, well shit" and we don't even know what we don't know in order to try to work toward finding it out. We just know that most of the theories we had don't work. Its entirely possible that we're fatally flawed to not be able to understand the universe, try as we might.

I didn't say that to be mean, but you're finding out that the more you know, you realize how much more you don't know.
 
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Its entirely possible that we're fatally flawed to not be able to understand the universe, try as we might.

I didn't say that to be mean, but you're finding out that the more you know, you realize how much more you don't know.
Agree and that last statement is pure wisdom attained only after years and years of living.
 

Muse

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I didn't say that to be mean, but you're finding out that the more you know, you realize how much more you don't know.
Your use of the word "know" suggests you put some value to it. If we know nothing, then the idea of knowing is just illusory. I have never kidded myself or anyone by purporting to have the answers. However, I don't regret my seeking nature, it has not been in vain to say the least.
 

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I wouldn't take anything about physics as true anymore, even coming from "some astrophysics PhD."


This grew out of my reading the Wikipedia page on String Theory, which is replete with information all of which appears to be contentious in various ways.
Astrophysics and theoretical physics are very different. Theoretical physics is necessarily fringe in many cases, and most of the theories will not pan out; that's the whole point.
 

Muse

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The only reason you ever did is pure ignorance of your ignorance.
Ever did what? You're talking down to me, which is egregious, stupid and uncalled for. I studied physics seriously, was exceptionally good at it. I got to a point where I lost interest, not because of my ignorance. I developed interest in other things. What do you know about me? Nothing, obviously.
 

Muse

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Astrophysics and theoretical physics are very different. Theoretical physics is necessarily fringe in many cases, and most of the theories will not pan out; that's the whole point.
So, you assume that whatever a PhD in astrophysics is true. No, that wasn't you, but I have to think that since physics is in chaos astrophysics can't be a settled realm at this point. Astrophysics uses the laws of physics. Since those are all in doubt, so is astrophysics.
 
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