Poll: Do you care about ray tracing / upscaling?

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Saylick

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This game uses Voxel cone tracing instead of ray tracing for global illumination. These devs are really smart.

This is an NV paper from 2011 talking about this method. It doesn’t require RT hardware.

It was tested on a GTX 480!!!
I'm surprised Nvidia didn't burn that research paper so that it doesn't go against their current marketing narrative that you need proper RT hardware to do realistic, real-time GI.
 

DAPUNISHER

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Probably don't want to bite the hand that feeds them.
They did go to bat for HUB when Nvidia was bullying them. And when Linus was still running the show he was transparent about their biz. The biggest slice of the pie was merch. But that was then and this is now, and Nvidia went from the 800 pound gorilla to a 30 story green Kaiju in a shiny leather jacket.
 

BurnItDwn

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They did go to bat for HUB when Nvidia was bullying them. And when Linus was still running the show he was transparent about their biz. The biggest slice of the pie was merch. But that was then and this is now, and Nvidia went from the 800 pound gorilla to a 30 story green Kaiju in a shiny leather jacket.
Hopefully they (Nvidia) don't try to rig the reviews too badly. I could see them limiting review samples to reviewers that only agree to test certain titles, or only if they agree to test with FSR enabled, or only test with RT enabled, etc. Or i can see their NDA having lots of terms/conditions to try to make their cards seen in the best light. Though at least I think there is only so much they can get away with.

I'm more or less ready to upgrade around the $500 price point, if something good enough drops. My 6800 is still okish for now. My wife likes the 1080 TI i got for her. We are a mixed video card household, but I lean AMD as their drivers give me less weird issues in X. (Running a 2060 in another box that constantly has compositor issues in KDE unless i reboot it like every week.)

Sell me 50% faster performance at 1440UW than OC'd 6800 in raster and I'm sold. Better RT or FSR or whatever is an added bonus, but, doesn't matter nearly as much.
Maybe 9070 or 9070 XT will launch some day and maybe they will perform well, otherwise, 7900 XT was $620 not too long ago, used might be cheaper sooner or later...
Or Maybe Intel will surprise us all with a monsterish/better than expected B770 or B780.

Or, maybe nobody will release anything good and will just collude on prices.

EDIT: fixing some of my errors/mistakes
 
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coercitiv

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Hopefully they (Nvidia) don't try to rig the reviews too badly. I could see them limiting review samples to reviewers that only agree to test certain titles, or only if they agree to test with FSR enabled, or only test with RT enabled, etc. Or i can see their NDA having lots of terms/conditions to try to make their cards seen in the best light. Though at least I think there is only so much they can get away with.
They don't have to do it in ways that create so much friction. You can read about the way Bioware discreetly influenced the reviews for Dragon Age Veilguard, they essentially made sure the reviewers more likely to be positively impressed were given faster access to the game. Statistics did the rest of the work.
 

Ranulf

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Eternal Strands is a new adventure game, out with a demo on steam but the specs listed to run it are the most interesting part. The devs' have listed upscaling along with the min/recomended. 50% upscaling to get 60fps and "without frame generation". Though the funniest part is the min cpu specs. Minimum is a desktop intel 6core/6thread and the Ryzen is a 4/4 laptop chip? I had to look that one up and I guess it is equal to a Ryzen 2600?

GPU wise, note the 3070 vs 6800 and Arc 770.

Minimum:
OS: Windows 10 / Windows 11
Processor: Intel Core i5-9400 / AMD Ryzen 5 3350
Memory: 8 GB RAM
Graphics: Nvidia GeForce GTX 1660 Super 6GB / AMD Radeon RX 5600 XT 6GB / Intel Arc A580
DirectX: Version 12
Storage: 24 GB available space
Additional Notes: SSD required. The settings above reflect game performance at 60 fps at the lowest graphics setting upscaled from 50% of 1080p resolution (without Frame Generation).

RECOMMENDED:
OS: Windows 10 / Windows 11
Processor: Intel Core i5-11600 / AMD Ryzen 5 5600X
Memory: 16 GB RAM
Graphics: Nvidia GeForce RTX 3070 8GB / AMD Radeon RX 6800 16GB / Intel Arc A770
DirectX: Version 12
Storage: 24 GB available space
Additional Notes: SSD required. The hardware above reflects game performance at 60 fps at epic graphics setting upscaled from 50% of 1440p resolution (without Frame Generation).
 

coercitiv

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Some gameplay footage:

To me this art style and the graphics of the game in general suggest this should be a game that runs well on low spec hardware. It should not need 540p internal res for that.
 
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Ranulf

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Yeah, the steam forums have reports that it isnt so great on high end parts. One guy posted he was getting 55-60fps at 1080p with FSR on ultra perf mode, on a fx 8350 with a gtx 970. Maybe I'll try it out on the 4790k for fun.
 

dlerious

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Wow. That's bleak then.
I swear - many years ago - I saw that resolution (764p) appear when I set a game to 50% render scale. Although that was before DLSS revolutionized upscaling.
1366x768 was low end laptop
 

gdansk

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1366x768 was low end laptop
Yes and thankfully I have avoided these. This was R6S on a 1080p display with 50% render scale.
I guess 50% input resolution doesn't mean 50% of the pixels but 25% of the pixels. I'm not sure why and that's ok.
 

SolidQ

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There is DLLS4 released for C2077, anyone can test Transform etc and how quality?
 

DAPUNISHER

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Iceberg has an interesting video concerning ray tracing. I like both the cards and the games selected. 4060 runs out of vram in Outlaws. Not that it's a big deal, that game bombed hard. Might as well complain about performance in Gollum.

There is DLLS4 released for C2077, anyone can test Transform etc and how quality?
UK Steve did a quick video

 

poke01

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I also tried it’s good. DLSS balanced with Transformer is essentially DLSS Q when using CNN. More frames when using CNN with the new FG too.

This is my preferred settings now in CB2077, -1440p, DLSS Q with Transformer model and RR and RT on.
I get around 78-80 frames. CNN gives me up to 85 frames. So there is a performance drop on the 4070S but the image quality makes up for it. At the end for single player games this is good upgrade.

Apparently Stalker 2 sees even bigger improvements than CB2077 with DLSS 4 upscaling.
 
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Jensen pre-emptively tried his best to make his existing user base happy and grateful before they brought out the pitchforks. Have to begrudgingly admit that he's more clever than I thought.
 

Ranulf

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Doom Dark Ages Requirements:

RT required, 8core cpus minimum. 8GB vram for 1080p 60fps low.


 

DAPUNISHER

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I wonder if there is a strong corollary between gamers with older cards and game piracy? Why else would these companies leave so many potential sales behind? Cards like the GTX 10 series and RDNA are still popular all these years later.

Interesting that the minimum CPU is similar to consoles. 6 strong cores should be fine.
 
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