SME - subject matter experts settle the Elon Musk Nazi salute question.

HomerJS

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Here's my original back and forth with someone denying Musk did a Nazi salute which claiming AOC also did a Nazi salute. I decided to ask Germans because they are SMEs and they will know the correct answer. Here are the results.

Original Reddit


Ask Germans did Elon Musk do a Nazi salute.


Ask Germans did AOC to a Nazi salute
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskAGerman...=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
 
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nakedfrog

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The side-by-side GIFs of both Neo-Nazis and Hitler himself aren't convincing enough?
I saw the Nazi collaborators did find a clip of Tim Walz doing a similar-ish gesture where he touched his heart and held his hand up, but unless you're a Nazi collaborator the difference is still very obvious.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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The side-by-side GIFs of both Neo-Nazis and Hitler himself aren't convincing enough?
I saw the Nazi collaborators did find a clip of Tim Walz doing a similar-ish gesture where he touched his heart and held his hand up, but unless you're a Nazi collaborator the difference is still very obvious.
And, as has been stated many, many times... If it wasn't, he could have said it wasn't, and that Nazis can eat a bag of dicks. Noteworthy that he has not done so.
 
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cytg111

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He probably bet someone Nick Fuentes like character over dm that he could do it and get away with it and ketamine fueled Asperger brain thought it would be funny.
 
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outriding

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The only way I would be more of a kraut if I was born in germany

And that was a Nazi salute
 

cytg111

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He could come out and put all of this to bed, but Musk has been silent. Silence is consent.
Silent? I think he came out and said something like dems are crazy and waving it off.
So. Nazi.
 

HomerJS

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Nazis say it was a Nazi salute
Germans say it was a Nazi salute
German law enforcement says it was a Nazi salute
German government says it was a Nazi salute

Trump, Musk and @pcgeek11 say it was not.

Who is correct here?
 
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HomerJS

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Just wait and see the kind of shit they're apologizing for by 2028.
Next they are going to say it doesn’t matter. We have museums around the world dedicated people know about the Holucost.

Saluting Nazis doesn’t matter? I thought it was leftist college students that were anti Semitic?
 
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FelixDeCat

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The Nazi's stole many things, including its symbol, salute, etc.

You probably already know the Swastika was already in use prior to being appropriated by the Nazi party:


The swastika ( or ) is a symbol used in various Eurasian religions and cultures, and it is also seen in some African and American ones. In the Western world, it is more widely recognized as a symbol of the German Nazi Party who appropriated it for their party insignia starting in the early 20th century. The appropriation continues with its use by neo-Nazis around the world.[1][2][3][4] The swastika was and continues to be used as a symbol of divinity and spirituality in Indian religions, including Hinduism, Buddhism, and Jainism.[1][5][6][7][8] It generally takes the form of a cross,[A] the arms of which are of equal length and perpendicular to the adjacent arms, each bent midway at a right angle.[10][11]


But the "Nazi" salute was supposedly first used by the Romans, adopted by Mussolini and further adopted by Hitler and Nazis because they were impressed by the original fascists in Italy in the 1920s:



Not mentioned in the article above, prior to the 1940s, it was somewhat common to hold a right hand salute up at the American Flag during the Pledge of Allegiance.


Because the Nazi party made these things infamous during their reign both now have a pretty negative connotation these days.



I think Musk was just did not know what else to do and got carried away in the moment but should have known better. He is not a very good at political speeches as he wants to explain things and nerd out, which is not what a political rally wants. The "my heart goes out to you" wave that looked like a right handed salute was odd.

I have spoken impromptu to crowds. Its easy if you can understand them, keep it simple and wind up the crowd properly.
 

mikeymikec

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Some apologists have been crawling around imgur trying to claim that it wasn't a Nazi salute, one of their efforts I found amusing was that they had apparently been copypasting screenshots from Microsoft Copilot, from which the argument was that you can't be a Nazi if you weren't part of the original Nazi party.

@FelixDeCat I'm not sure I want to know what you've done and claimed to have done it "in the heat of the moment".
 

pmv

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May 30, 2008
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Don't see how there's any way to ever know what thoughts Musk had in his head when he did it.

It's a matter of the context and background meaning he doesn't get the benefit of the doubt, it seems to me. He has a track record of facilitating Nazis on the platform he owns, he financially supports a guy who associated with Nazis, his maternal grandparents were apparently (according to what his father has said) members of the actual historical Nazi Party. That removes any licence for 'benefit of the doubt'.

I can believe that _maybe_ he didn't have coherent, conscious, thoughts in his head about a Nazi gesture when he did it. Maybe he's too off his head from Ketamine use to have any such coherent thoughts. But even then I can suspect that he ended up making that particular gesture because of some unconscious imprinting he has.
 

pmv

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Also, the historical Nazis stole a vast array of gestures and iconography from other sources. They also, at least before they took power, were experts at plausible deniability, at employing claims of "irony" and "can't you take a joke" to diguise their true intentions while "hiding in plain sight". They are doing it again.
 

Moonbeam

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Also, the historical Nazis stole a vast array of gestures and iconography from other sources. They also, at least before they took power, were experts at plausible deniability, at employing claims of "irony" and "can't you take a joke" to diguise their true intentions while "hiding in plain sight". They are doing it again.
Plausible denial is dependent of sufficient lask of self respect, in other words self hate, to lack the confidence to trust your own eyes. What if you think or call somebody a Nazi and you are challenged on it by others. Best to never crawl out from under the rug. Never take a stand on anything. You could get criticized. You could suffer shame. You might get punched in the nose. Stockholm Syndrome is where it's safe.
 

Amused

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The Nazi's stole many things, including its symbol, salute, etc.

You probably already know the Swastika was already in use prior to being appropriated by the Nazi party:


The swastika ( or ) is a symbol used in various Eurasian religions and cultures, and it is also seen in some African and American ones. In the Western world, it is more widely recognized as a symbol of the German Nazi Party who appropriated it for their party insignia starting in the early 20th century. The appropriation continues with its use by neo-Nazis around the world.[1][2][3][4] The swastika was and continues to be used as a symbol of divinity and spirituality in Indian religions, including Hinduism, Buddhism, and Jainism.[1][5][6][7][8] It generally takes the form of a cross,[A] the arms of which are of equal length and perpendicular to the adjacent arms, each bent midway at a right angle.[10][11]


But the "Nazi" salute was supposedly first used by the Romans, adopted by Mussolini and further adopted by Hitler and Nazis because they were impressed by the original fascists in Italy in the 1920s:



Not mentioned in the article above, prior to the 1940s, it was somewhat common to hold a right hand salute up at the American Flag during the Pledge of Allegiance.


Because the Nazi party made these things infamous during their reign both now have a pretty negative connotation these days.



I think Musk was just did not know what else to do and got carried away in the moment but should have known better. He is not a very good at political speeches as he wants to explain things and nerd out, which is not what a political rally wants. The "my heart goes out to you" wave that looked like a right handed salute was odd.

I have spoken impromptu to crowds. Its easy if you can understand them, keep it simple and wind up the crowd properly.
OH FFS

 

[DHT]Osiris

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I think Musk was just did not know what else to do and got carried away in the moment but should have known better.
Alright, show of Nazi hands, who here throws out a heil Hitler when you're not sure what else to do and get carried away with the moment?
 
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The Nazi's stole many things, including its symbol, salute, etc.

You probably already know the Swastika was already in use prior to being appropriated by the Nazi party:


The swastika ( or ) is a symbol used in various Eurasian religions and cultures, and it is also seen in some African and American ones. In the Western world, it is more widely recognized as a symbol of the German Nazi Party who appropriated it for their party insignia starting in the early 20th century. The appropriation continues with its use by neo-Nazis around the world.[1][2][3][4] The swastika was and continues to be used as a symbol of divinity and spirituality in Indian religions, including Hinduism, Buddhism, and Jainism.[1][5][6][7][8] It generally takes the form of a cross,[A] the arms of which are of equal length and perpendicular to the adjacent arms, each bent midway at a right angle.[10][11]


But the "Nazi" salute was supposedly first used by the Romans, adopted by Mussolini and further adopted by Hitler and Nazis because they were impressed by the original fascists in Italy in the 1920s:



Not mentioned in the article above, prior to the 1940s, it was somewhat common to hold a right hand salute up at the American Flag during the Pledge of Allegiance.


Because the Nazi party made these things infamous during their reign both now have a pretty negative connotation these days.



I think Musk was just did not know what else to do and got carried away in the moment but should have known better. He is not a very good at political speeches as he wants to explain things and nerd out, which is not what a political rally wants. The "my heart goes out to you" wave that looked like a right handed salute was odd.

I have spoken impromptu to crowds. Its easy if you can understand them, keep it simple and wind up the crowd properly.
1) The only people that bring up what these symbols used to mean in such debates is to obfuscate
2) Something made popular by Mussolini isn't exactly a better reason. Consider looking up what the guy did before he was rightfully beaten to death by partisans
3) Sorry, but no one gets so carried away to do a fucking nazi salute, let alone doing it twice. He's not Dr Strangelove (who mind you, was also a fucking Nazi in the film)
4) Also, his speech specifically referenced the 14 words - another piece of white supremacist/neo-nazi bullshit


We used to have a good solution for Nazis: they get the wall. Stop defending Nazis.
 

FelixDeCat

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1) The only people that bring up what these symbols used to mean in such debates is to obfuscate
2) Something made popular by Mussolini isn't exactly a better reason. Consider looking up what the guy did before he was rightfully beaten to death by partisans
3) Sorry, but no one gets so carried away to do a fucking nazi salute, let alone doing it twice. He's not Dr Strangelove (who mind you, was also a fucking Nazi in the film)
4) Also, his speech specifically referenced the 14 words - another piece of white supremacist/neo-nazi bullshit


We used to have a good solution for Nazis: they get the wall. Stop defending Nazis.
Ignore history at your own peril. I said he should have known better. Musk is not normal. Normal people would not do anything that looked like what he did especially in today's overreactive society.
 
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Ignore history at your own peril. I said he should have known better. Musk is not normal. Normal people would not do anything that looked like what he did especially in today's overreactive society.
No one is ignoring history except for those trying to defend Musk.

It's not a "haha, silly goose should have known better" situation. Based on Musk's history, that just translates to: "he should hide his Nazi proclivities better."
 

[DHT]Osiris

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Ignore history at your own peril. I said he should have known better. Musk is not normal. Normal people would not do anything that looked like what he did especially in today's overreactive society.
Honest question: do you think this action was a mistake, or that it was intentional?
 
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Honest question: do you think this action was a mistake, or that it was intentional?
You know, speaking in front of a crowd with your speech referencing the 14 words just makes you want to throw your hand in the air like Hitler. No big deal, right? He just got caught up in the moment.
 
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ivwshane

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No one is ignoring history except for those trying to defend Musk.

It's not a "haha, silly goose should have known better" situation. Based on Musk's history, that just translates to: "he should hide his Nazi proclivities better."

Well someone is ignoring history and it’s probably the guy who isn’t aware that Elon grew up in an apartheid, he isn’t aware that Elon has supported far right groups in Germany, he’s not aware of Elon not only owning one of largest social media sites but who also has a history of unbanning nazis and retweeting their posts. But most importantly he seems to be completely unaware that Elon is the worried richest person and just bought his way into the presidency of a man who is malleable that he thinks whatever the last person to talk to him thinks. So yeah, someone definitely is ignoring history.
 
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