Discussion Nvidia Blackwell in Q1-2025

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lightmanek

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Fake frames are just motion smoothing all over again. I'm pretty sure we all know that motion smoothing on your TV is garbage that degrades your experience, and you should turn it off. Why would you want your graphics card doing it instead?
I don't remember a SmartTV I bought where the first thing would not be to go to settings and disable all Motion smooting and denoising options. And I don't mean only for console input, all inputs! For me, the little artefacts are breaking immersion and inserting frames to 24p or 48p source just makes every movie look "cheap soap opera" like.
Guess, growing up on Quake and UT as well as arcade shooters on CRT's made my brain intolerant of input lag.
 
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I don't remember a SmartTV I bought where the first thing would not be to go to settings and disable all Motion smooting and denoising options.
X900E was the only Sony TV i ever owned and it had something called reality motion which actually looked pretty good but still gave you this feeling that you were watching something not "real". It was actually a bit too real. I was in a taxi that year and the cars moving outside looked weird to me until I realized that the way they were moving was something I had noticed on the Sony TV with reality motion turned on. Freaky.
 

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DLSS 4 looking great in this title, which was highlighted by Nvidia to launch with DLSS4 support as the sim hit EA on Steam.
The game is far from optimised but looks gorgeous nevertheless.
This is no joke as the person describes. DLSS 4 Quality in this looks notably sharper and cleaner than even 4K DLAA (3.x) and I'm getting a slightly better performance than this guy's 5080+5800X with my 7950X3D+4080S and the new DLL dropped in.

I hope AMD brings the best of FSR4 to this one, along with VR support. It'll be my litmus test for RDNA4.

 
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CP5670

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Thank you for the post actually, today I learned about both Giffen and Veblen goods. My only problem was that I was struggling to understand the info on Giffen as it was specifically excluding expensive items.
Yeah, Veblen is the luxury goods and status symbols. Giffen is more like groceries, rent, etc. that people spend more on because they are forced to and crowd out other things. I had the terms mixed up.
 

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Earlier I was hoping AMD would finally bring quality and sanity if RDNA4 holds up. It was much needed and AMD with their backs to the wall needed a winner. Now, I think they'll blow it.
But I can't remember if there has been a worser new gen lineup hardware wise than the 50 series, ever. This is worser than RDNA3.
 

Heartbreaker

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Fake frames are just motion smoothing all over again. I'm pretty sure we all know that motion smoothing on your TV is garbage that degrades your experience, and you should turn it off. Why would you want your graphics card doing it instead?

Even NVidia names it properly in one place. They have added Fake Frames for all games that don't have DLSS fake frames (only 50 series), and they call it "Smooth Motion".



They should have been honest and called it that for DLSS fake frames as well.
 

Tup3x

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Even NVidia names it properly in one place. They have added Fake Frames for all games that don't have DLSS fake frames (only 50 series), and they call it "Smooth Motion".



They should have been honest and called it that for DLSS fake frames as well.
Yeah, that would have been much, much better. It doesn't have anything to do with DLSS (or TAA, super resolution...). I'd like to know who was the genius who though that this was a good idea.
 

DavidC1

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HWUB clapping back at nVidia:
What's the name of the guy that used to point this out ALL the time, even back in the 1000 series days? So they managed to make people long for the days which were already bad. Few of us complained about the little gains and performance increase 1000 series had, and that was pre-mining inflation.

How many years before we long for Arrowlake and RTX 5000 days I wonder?
 

MrTeal

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Where'd he get the GDDR7 pricing from? Dramexchange doesn't show 16Gb pricing free, but 8Gb GDDR6 (1GB) is shown as $2.3 right now. That's a little under $75 for 32GB. $350 as Nvidia's cost for 32GB GDD7 would be more than 4x increase over GDDR6 spot prices. That seems a little hard to believe.

Alternately, that would mean Nvidia is paying $132 for the 12GB of VRAM on a 5070 that's selling for $550. There's no way that's happening.
 

Win2012R2

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Probably much less, the spot price of brand new gddr6 has dropped 4 times in a year.
GDDR6 is old memory now, multiple suppliers, even cheap consoles use it - GDDR7 is totally brand new, giving massive increase in bandwidth, and it's sold to Nvidia who is known to have lots of money and want the best - that won't be cheap.

How much worse would 5090 suck without new memory?
 

WelshBloke

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Well I'm using FG regularly and for me it improves my experience. 120fps just look much better than 70fps.
I mean I'm happy for you that it's improving your experience but it's not my experience at all.
Like if FG could turn something with unplayable frame rates into something playable even with a bit of image degradation I could see the attraction but going from a very playable amount of FPS to another playable amount of FPS with that additional latency and artifacts doesn't really work for me.
Personally I think if you have 70 fps you're better off with a VRR monitor than adding generated frames.
 

coercitiv

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Alternately, that would mean Nvidia is paying $132 for the 12GB of VRAM on a 5070 that's selling for $550. There's no way that's happening.
This is in part, what has me convinced they have better pricing: they would not affect their margins for 5070 / 5070 TI while also having that much less flexibility against AMD /w GDDR6.

Do we know if 5060/5060Ti are also using GDDR7?

and it's sold to Nvidia who is known to have lots of money and want the best - that won't be cheap.
Companies like Apple and Nvidia are known to have money and want the best, they are also known to be so aggressive during negotiations that some suppliers need to be very careful with their margins or risk going out of business. Negotiating with these people is often a dream in the morning and and a nightmare in the afternoon.

I think it's clear that GDDR7 is not cheap, but I doubt Nvidia is paying inflated market pricing for it, if only because they negotiated long time ago for it, from a position of strength (before committing to use it in most of their consumer lineup).
 

Win2012R2

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I doubt Nvidia is paying inflated market pricing for it
What is an inflated market pricing for GDDR7? It's not even listed on DRAMexchange! Whatever Nvidia pays - is market pricing.

I don't know if it's 300 bucks, but it is certainly WAY more expensive than GDDR6 - totally plausible that $10 per GB is real since it is not at "commodity" level yet, maybe next year.
 
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