My Decision 23 Years Ago . . . And Still Waiting . . .

BonzaiDuck

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As everyone knows for my repeating it too often, I'm 77+ years old, and I worry when I discover I can't remember something -- like the name of the local restaurant (Chipotle), or Eric Hoffer's name -- the self-educated Longshoreman who wrote "True Believer."

23 years ago, there was something like a four-page op-ed in LA Times reporting and discussing the melting of the Arctic ice-cap, and a new interest in finding a "Northwest Passage" for easy travel between China and Europe. This was just about two years after Al Gore first sounded the alarm, prompting all the deniers to dismiss him.

And also 23 years ago, I purchased my 2nd Isuzu Trooper -- a 1995 LS model with 95,000 on the odometer. I very quickly came to the conclusion that we had to stop pumping CO2 into the atmosphere. But there weren't any cars propelled by means other than fossil fuel.

I had retired completely 25 years ago, with a fixed income annuity that limited my choices to a degree which I could master and manage. The Trooper, by the way, was the first and only luxury vehicle I ever owned. I was very quickly spoiled by it. Today I always feel grateful for the comfort of the bucket seats.

So I treated the vehicle issue as a simple business capital budgeting exercise, attempting to maximize the use-value return on the vehicle at minimum expense, but also with an eye toward breaking away from fossil fuels.

For this, I patiently maintained, repaired, replaced parts or subsystems and restored the Trooper, all the time waiting for a break-away technology free of fossil fuels. But that moment hasn't come. As to the matter of affordability, I finally just came to the conclusion that with two family members recently deceased and with my surviving brother in the queue to inherit my house and investment nest-egg, with no children or grandchildren -- there was no need for a life insurance policy for which I'd been paying premiums since 1990. The cash-out on this policy will afford me about 60% of a new or recent-model pre-owned vehicle -- like a PHEV RAV4 Prime or a PHEV Prius.

But it just doesn't seem like enough. As for the EVs, a Ford Mustang Mach-E will go 250 miles on a charge -- initially -- but this range deteriorates and the batteries age. It may be that there's some EV that will give you 350 miles on a charge, but they won't get me from here to Reno without stopping to recharge the vehicle and wait for some unfortunate length of time. Maybe, with the proper infrastructure and charging stations along the highway, one might feel more confident buying an EV. I'll look into that further.

But I've almost concluded that it's not worth it until they can give you 750 miles on a charge, without risk of the battery catching fire, and with battery replacement needed only after about ten years.

Has that time come? Any intelligence you care to offer on that? I see Consumer Reports or AARP is still pushing gas-powered vehicles that don't strain the senior citizen budget.

But -- senior citizen budget notwithstanding -- you can see by my story that I've been waiting a long, long time. With the decision about the insurance policy, I might spring for a PHEV even if it just represents a transient technological phase that isn't quite such bargain as opposed to waiting longer.
 

Paperdoc

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My situation is similar. I am 80, driving a 2014 Mazda 3. I have always maintained cars myself as long I they can so they go to the scrap yard in 17 to 20 years. (I'm in an area with lots of snow in winter and hence salt and corrosion). Projecting, that says my Mazda may have to be replaced in 2031 or later. By that time I would be 87 (IF I get there!) or older, and I question whether I should actually stop driving. Sure, I think I drive well now (maybe not as well as I think), but predicting how that will be seven years or more from now? This area is not heavily populated so driving anywhere means significant distances with few electrical charging facilities widely spaced, and none in many areas. I have little faith that HIGH range on a single charge will be a reality in 7 to 10 years. Right now if I drive 500 Km (310 miles) to our daughter's home I'll use up less than one tank of gas. Meanwhile I pass maybe a hundred gas pumps, so there is no worry.
 
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BonzaiDuck

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My situation is similar. I am 80, driving a 2014 Mazda 3. I have always maintained cars myself as long I they can so they go to the scrap yard in 17 to 20 years. (I'm in an area with lots of snow in winter and hence salt and corrosion). Projecting, that says my Mazda may have to be replaced in 2031 or later. By that time I would be 87 (IF I get there!) or older, and I question whether I should actually stop driving. Sure, I think I drive well now (maybe not as well as I think), but predicting how that will be seven years or more from now? This area is not heavily populated so driving anywhere means significant distances with few electrical charging facilities widely spaced, and none in many areas. I have little faith that HIGH range on a single charge will be a reality in 7 to 10 years. Right now if I drive 500 Km (310 miles) to our daughter's home I'll use up less than one tank of gas. Meanwhile I pass maybe a hundred gas pumps, so there is no worry.
Yeah -- I here ya. Nice to know there are more seniors like me in this place -- as long as it continues to last!

It's all a bit scary. I'm lucky I have to deal with handymen working on my house today and getting the documents ready to finish my taxes. If you sit around and ruminate on things like your health and future prospects -- you should otherwise get a Xanax prescription.

So I can see now that you could take an EV on a long-distance trip, if only you could re-charge the battery in a couple hours or less.

As discussed in old threads, my old Isuzu Trooper (95) has "lifter-tick" when the engine is idling. But using the proper viscosity of oil and topping it up by no more than half a quart gets rid of it. Sometimes it reappears, but after a drive to the bank or grocery, it seems to be totally gone -- idling it before turning the ignition off and walking to the building entrance. Then I went to an Isuzu forum I once frequented a lot, and discovered that this "lifter-tick" is pretty common for those Isuzus over the years in which the second generation of vehicle were produced -- possibly even through the year 2000. The solution is merely to run a little extra oil in the crankcase.

So I'm just fine for now. The life-insurance cash-out should arrive soon, so I'd feel more comfortable buying a newer vehicle later. But I have the same thoughts as you do.
 

Fenixgoon

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why do you need 750 miles of uninterrupted range? its not like gas vehicles are going to do that unless you have a 40-50gal tank @ 20mpg or so.

gasoline engines also lose range in the cold, as components age, wear increases, parts lose efficiency, oil consumption goes up, etc. battery packs are mandated by the government to be warrantied for 8 years, while an engine is warrantied for....anywhere from 3-10 years depending on the manufacturer.

yes the infrastructure has a ways to go - we've been using internal combustion for a century now - but i don't think a good range EV is as much a leap as you think. not that your assessment is without merit - but lets say your isuzu went poof and a mach-e magically took its place...i think you'd find a way to adapt.
 

PowerEngineer

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I would have stayed on this same trajectory had my daughter not totaled my 1996 Camry and then had the "traction battery" in the replacement 2007 Camry Hybrid not failed - twice. 😟

Being retired and not expecting to drive many miles, I decided to get a smaller gas engine SUV (2019 Mercedes GLC300 lease return). The higher seat height, better load carrying capability, all wheel drive, and about 450 mile range on a full tank (premium) for occasional long trips have all made this a good choice for me.

On the other hand, my wife recently decided that we just had to replace her 2015 Chevy Impala (a terrible car she bought) with a new Tesla. As we were not eligible for the tax incentives, I managed to talk her into a used year-old Tesla Model Y Performance. I have to say that the experience has been interesting.

We found that getting a Tesla is like choosing to use Apple products - we were entering an "environment" designed by Elon that took some getting used to. The Tesla vibe is more like that of a mobile computer than of a traditional car. And Elon has some interesting ideas about how a car should be driven. We also quickly learned that a 240v (Level 2) charger in the garage at home is almost a must (another ~$1500 installed). Tesla range estimates are very optimistic; freeway speeds (70-80 mph) drops the estimated 240 mile for our Model Y to more like 150 miles. The good news is that Tesla supercharging stations are common enough along freeways (and seemingly never busy); charging up to 80% capacity takes less than thirty minutes. The Tesla drives very nicely, even in bad weather (although the automatic windshield wipers aren't great). My wife loves putting the car into full supervised self-driving mode, but I'm not ready for that myself.

I'm not exactly an EV convert, however if I am lucky enough that my GLC300 needs replacing before I do then I would consider a Tesla option. I would stick with newer Teslas as I highly value the 8-year/120,000-mile battery warranty. I'd also look hard at (gas or electric) leasing options as I too cross over into my 70's. πŸ‘΄πŸ»

My two cents... πŸͺ™πŸͺ™
 

BonzaiDuck

Lifer
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I would have stayed on this same trajectory had my daughter not totaled my 1996 Camry and then had the "traction battery" in the replacement 2007 Camry Hybrid not failed - twice. 😟

Being retired and not expecting to drive many miles, I decided to get a smaller gas engine SUV (2019 Mercedes GLC300 lease return). The higher seat height, better load carrying capability, all wheel drive, and about 450 mile range on a full tank (premium) for occasional long trips have all made this a good choice for me.

On the other hand, my wife recently decided that we just had to replace her 2015 Chevy Impala (a terrible car she bought) with a new Tesla. As we were not eligible for the tax incentives, I managed to talk her into a used year-old Tesla Model Y Performance. I have to say that the experience has been interesting.

We found that getting a Tesla is like choosing to use Apple products - we were entering an "environment" designed by Elon that took some getting used to. The Tesla vibe is more like that of a mobile computer than of a traditional car. And Elon has some interesting ideas about how a car should be driven. We also quickly learned that a 240v (Level 2) charger in the garage at home is almost a must (another ~$1500 installed). Tesla range estimates are very optimistic; freeway speeds (70-80 mph) drops the estimated 240 mile for our Model Y to more like 150 miles. The good news is that Tesla supercharging stations are common enough along freeways (and seemingly never busy); charging up to 80% capacity takes less than thirty minutes. The Tesla drives very nicely, even in bad weather (although the automatic windshield wipers aren't great). My wife loves putting the car into full supervised self-driving mode, but I'm not ready for that myself.

I'm not exactly an EV convert, however if I am lucky enough that my GLC300 needs replacing before I do then I would consider a Tesla option. I would stick with newer Teslas as I highly value the 8-year/120,000-mile battery warranty. I'd also look hard at (gas or electric) leasing options as I too cross over into my 70's. πŸ‘΄πŸ»

My two cents... πŸͺ™πŸͺ™
Good thoughts.

I'm at about 205,500 miles. Had lunch the other day with my retired car-mechanic cousin visiting from Florida, who remarked when i first started up to go home -- "You still have some lifter-tick!" He called my attention to it. Looking more closely, I discovered that on any given day, without topping up the oil at all, the lifter-tick disappears.

I began to think this through some more. If there are charging stations, and if they can charge you to 80% in an hour's time or less, an EV is not so limited discouraging long distance touring if you can always find a charging station.

I give myself a couple years to make a good choice, hoping that I can still drive at that age. Probably! I took my walk today, popped a 25 mg Delta 8 gummi, but felt great before I "came on." I feel pretty frisky tonight.

Maybe I'll broil a hamburger . . . My Super-Dooper-Pooper-Trooper is really running great . . . I'll fill the tank again tomorrow at COSTCO, then visit the stores and allow a few impulse-buys . . .
 
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