Discussion Zen 5 Speculation (EPYC Turin and Strix Point/Granite Ridge - Ryzen 9000)

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fastandfurious6

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It seems VERY competitive with today's offers, especially considering it will be one of the fastest (if not THE fastest) laptop gaming CPU.


$2.6k for the equivalent of full desktop 9950X3D + 5060 12gb PC with all peripherals + monitors etc

100% worth it
(though that specific Clevo chassis is probably not very worth it ergonomics-wise, there's gonna be better ones)


Weight ? With power brick of course...
Noise ?
Not my type of machine I'm afraid....

Best offerings gonna be around 2.5kg - just right
Others gonna be 3.5kg - on the heavy side
Power bricks around 700 to 999 grams depending on company, or get Slim-q 330w at ~400grams

2025 gaming laptop noise even at full load is always bearable. 100% fan speed in games are also still fine given there's game music/sounds (usually only under Custom power profiles, otherwise it's like 80% max which is totally fine)
 
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2025 gaming laptop noise even at full load is always bearable. 100% fan speed in games are also still fine given there's game music/sounds (usually only under Custom power profiles, otherwise it's like 80% max which is totally fine)
Have you owned such a laptop? Or do you by chance work in a data centre and you are used to much higher noise levels? You speak from very authoritative position telling others what is acceptable or not, but I wonder do you do what you preach. I myself have given up on DTR laptops due to noise and poor maintainability compared to desktop PC, and I doubt the situation is better now seeing power draw within that class is going up and not down.
 

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Have you owned such a laptop?

since 2020, only 2.5kg AMD desktop replacement laptops

4800H, 5800H then 7840HS

100% worth it

so speaking from ~5 years experience with these new types of desktop replacements, they're perfect

I think most people here who heckle them have not really tried such laptops after zen 2. since zen 2 came out it's truly been fast and practical enough to be worth the extra weight etc as full desktop replacement

16'' is almost exactly the size of last decade's 14'' thinkpads. 2kg is still lightweight. thermals are only a bother if you play AAA games on your lap lol. noise only noticable on AAA games but still bearable

but not even bothering with 3.5kg+ class, these are too heavy/bulky
 
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Weight ? With power brick of course...
Noise ?
Not my type of machine I'm afraid....
2,6Kg power supply excuded, around 3-3,2Kg with it. Noise depends on profile, definitely you'll need headphones when gaming at full speed (this has even a detachable liquid cooling system). But there are people who need such things, like me.
 
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4800H, 5800H then 7840HS

100% worth it

so speaking from ~5 years experience with these new types of desktop replacements, they're perfect
These are all relatively quiet CPUs. You haven't used any AMD HX CPU. The HX3D CPU may be more power hungry and noisier than you are used to. I guess it will depend on the specific implementation by the laptop maker. But an HX3D and 5090 in a laptop is a recipe for "power hungry noisy beast"
 
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These are all relatively quiet CPUs. You haven't used any AMD HX CPU. The HX3D CPU may be more power hungry and noisier than you are used to. I guess it will depend on the specific implementation by the laptop maker. But an HX3D and 5090 in a laptop is a recipe for "power hungry noisy beast"
Why would the 3D aspect make it more noisy? Don't the desktop versions of 3D have much lower power consumption compared to non 3D parts?
 
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Why would the 3D aspect make it more noisy? Don't the desktop versions of 3D have much lower power consumption compared to non 3D parts?
9000X3D series runs hotter and consumes more power due to higher clocks. 9955HX3D has a normal TDP of 55W but it can go up to 75W and it will probably be configured as such to feed the data hungry 5090 which itself won't do any favors to the cramped confines of the laptop in terms of heat dissipation. I don't expect these laptops to sound anything other than a mini jet turbo engine.
 

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since 2020, only 2.5kg AMD desktop replacement laptops

4800H, 5800H then 7840HS

100% worth it
Fair enough, but these usually don't count as DTRs, that was at least 17 inch, usually with beefy GPUs. Not that I want to argue about semantics, but nevertheless the HX CPUs minimal sensible power draw will be around 65W, what usually was sensible max for the CPUs you listed (I mean pushing them past that wasn't worth it usually). Then you will pair that with a GPU drawing at least 100W+ under load. So together, depending on the use-case you might reach 200W-300W load, and to dissipate that you need to have sensible cooling or loud fans, most of the time both. So the audio characteristics will be worse if we would like to approach desktop parity in the performance department. Just something to keep in mind.

Why would the 3D aspect make it more noisy? Don't the desktop versions of 3D have much lower power consumption compared to non 3D parts?
These are repackaged desktop parts, with higher power ceiling by default. 3D part might use less power than it's not 3D desktop counterpart, but it will be higher than Strix Point equivalent.
 
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Most of the people that I've seen gaming on laptops use headphones. I know in my use case, if I'm gaming on the road and most of the time when at home, my headset is on.

Unless the noise level is really approaching commercial blow dryer levels, I just won't notice it.
 
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Most of the people that I've seen gaming on laptops use headphones. I know in my use case, if I'm gaming on the road and most of the time when at home, my headset is on.

Unless the noise level is really approaching commercial blow dryer levels, I just won't notice it.
I always use headphones. There's just one big problem... I use open-back headphones so fan noise is an issue. My T14 Gen 1 is noisier in average load than my desktop in full load.
 

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These are all relatively quiet CPUs. You haven't used any AMD HX CPU. The HX3D CPU may be more power hungry and noisier than you are used to. I guess it will depend on the specific implementation by the laptop maker. But an HX3D and 5090 in a laptop is a recipe for "power hungry noisy beast"

I tried them the extra 0.5 - 1.5kg in HX laptops is basically heatsinks. they use more W but better cooled

I think all the complaints here about 'noise heat' etc are hypothetical by ppl who haven't used them at all

or have used those old bulky 'gaming laptops' pre-zen 2 era (or intel ones)

yeah those old ones were terrible. but the new ones are worth 100%
 
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I think all the complaints here about 'noise heat' etc are hypothetical by ppl who haven't used them at all

or have used those old bulky 'gaming laptops' pre-zen 2 era (or intel ones)
At work I am using a 16 inch dell precision with tiger lake and while compiling I can hear the fans despite using headphones with ANC That is pure CPU load. At least it doesn't throttle.
 

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Oh look. Maxon shilling for Strix Halo.


View attachment 116266

What? Intel marketing money dried up, huh, Maxon?
This is Strix Halo, maybe for Medusa Halo Dell will jump ship.

Either way Strix Halo shows that is a sizeable market for huge SoCs.
 
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