Windows 11 vs Linux? (Newbie to Linux)

ascendant

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I've used Windows 11 for decades (literally). But, with Windows 11 and all the glitches I've dealt with since my "free upgrade," I can't stand it anymore. It's wasting my time with me trying to fix the multiple bugs I've encountered since the upgrade, it's functionality is trash, they change numerous things in the OS (locations, functionality ,etc.) with no rhyme or reason other than to try and get more money by non tech-savvy people needing help to find things that they've moved and/or made more convoluted, and overall I just can't stand this company anymore. That combined with the fact that I'm a techie heading into a career in physics (undergrad currently), I figure I'm long overdue to switch

Sorry, rant over. Just so frustrated with it right now. Anyway, from what I've seen, the best one to switch to that would be similar to what I'm familiar with as far as GUI with Windows would be Linux Mint? How is the functionality of Linux Mint? Been years since I looked into Linux, but from what I remember, the infection risk is much lower on Linux than Windows, it will run most if not all of my same software and some of the same apps, and I do believe that overall, it functions more efficiently (less system resources, not so convoluted, etc.). How significant is it?

For those who had been with Windows for a long time like me and switched, where was the learning curve? What (if anything) took a while to get used to or figure out? Is there anything I should be aware of beforehand? Do you feel Linux truly is an improvement for a techie compared to Windows?

From what I'm seeing as far as running my software (I have TONS I absolutely need for school and work I do on the side - PowerDirector for video editing, Camtasia for video creation, Adobe Photoshop, MATLAB, Mathematica, Python (Spyder), and much more, let alone games when I have free time), the Wine compatibility layer should allow me to work with all of it (and seems like it has even better efficiency than running it on Windows?). Is there any particular type of software/games that absolutely will not work with Linux? I mean Windows apps I don't care about at all. I don't like them either, so fine tossing them. I just need my Windows software. So, will I lose any of it?

As far as files, file types, etc., all that should still be fine, right? Anything else I should be aware of before I swap over? It's going to be a bit anyway, as I'm too busy with college to swap until probably summer, but I want to know beforehand to be prepared. I appreciate any info/tips you guys can offer.
 

JackMDS

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Assuming you have a regular tower computer.

Buy and Install this thingy


Clean the Win11 Disk leave only what you need to use and it does not work on something else.

SSDs are very inexpensive these days.


Buy one install your choice and you can always boot in a minute or two to the OS of your choice.

There are different other way to arrange and install means to keep two disk in and which one to boot from. Google for Double Boot computer and you will many solutions.


 
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crashtech

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I'd suggest buying a used and/or inexpensive computer such as a laptop to use as a Linux lab, to see if you can make your preferred software work before making any further commitments. The fact that some software is Windows-only and that WINE and/or VMs can be somewhat difficult to implement would be your biggest stumbling blocks. Most of my compute PCs are Linux because it's generally more stable and most compute apps are faster on it. Our Distributed Computing community in particular has quite a bit of Linux experience, and might be able to smooth out some bumps in the road during your attempt to switch. You'll get the best assistance here with Linux Mint and/or Debian derivatives like it that use the apt package manager, imo.
 

ascendant

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Assuming you have a regular tower computer.

Buy and Install this thingy


Clean the Win11 Disk leave only what you need to use and it does not work on something else.

SSDs are very inexpensive these days.


Buy one install your choice and you can always boot in a minute or two to the OS of your choice.

There are different other way to arrange and install means to keep two disk in and which one to boot from. Google for Double Boot computer and you will many solutions.


Thanks, but being a college student that's a physics major, let alone three kids (I'm a non-traditional student), I don't have the time nor money to do all that. I have tons of hard drive space, and I only use SSDs. I even have an extra SSD that's about 1TB just sitting in my PC peripherals storage because I don't need it. But, if I were going to switch, I'd switch fully. I multi-task tons of things, and am not going to switch back and forth between OS at this time. Maybe later down the road when I get into my career, but at this point, I need something that is all in one. It's either Windows 11 or Linux, not both, at least not at this time
 

ascendant

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I'd suggest buying a used and/or inexpensive computer such as a laptop to use as a Linux lab, to see if you can make your preferred software work before making any further commitments. The fact that some software is Windows-only and that WINE and/or VMs can be somewhat difficult to implement would be your biggest stumbling blocks. Most of my compute PCs are Linux because it's generally more stable and most compute apps are faster on it. Our Distributed Computing community in particular has quite a bit of Linux experience, and might be able to smooth out some bumps in the road during your attempt to switch. You'll get the best assistance here with Linux Mint and/or Debian derivatives like it that use the apt package manager, imo.
I just built myself a new PC last year, and still have my old one. But, I don't have room right now to set it up, nor the time. And like I touched on in my last post to Jack, I need an all in one OS at this point. I do too many things at once, and need full functionality for all my needs in one OS.

But, taking what you said into consideration, I'm definitely going to hold off on it until I have time to set up Linux, either as a secondary on my current PC, maybe my laptop, or find somewhere to temporarily set up the other PC. Maybe over the summer if I have time. From what you're saying though, I don't think Linux alone will be enough for me. I just really, really don't like Windows, and I've dealt with four big bugs on my OS since the update (and of course the built-in repair feature of Windows detects nothing, updates since the issues haven't changed anything, and nothing I find online seems to fix the last problem I'm having). Appreciate the information, thank you
 
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As suggested above, Wine isn't a panacea. If you're married to a long list of Windows native apps and games, you're better off sticking with Windows.

Many games work fairly well, because Valve is constantly trying to improve the UX for Steam Deck. All gamers on Linux benefit from their hard work.

WineHQ has an AppDB where you can check what compatibility looks like. For Photoshop, it looks like some mixed results:

 

mikeymikec

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I switched to Linux in 2018 and Linux Mint (21) is my primary OS.

Learning curve:
This is a difficult one to answer in my case because I flirted with Linux since around 1999 and made a fresh effort after the release of Windows 10 (and saw the "Microsoft account" direction that it was going in, amongst other things). Therefore my experience consists of on-and-off attempts with Linux (mostly off, timewise) over the years.

Familiarity:
For me, two important things are the same in most Linux desktop environments and Windows: Windows+R and Windows+E keyboard combinations.

In Windows, my primary apps were the same ones I am using in Linux (e.g. Firefox, Thunderbird, LibreOffice).

Interoperability:
WINE won't be more efficient at running Windows apps than Windows is. For example, I run an obsolete version of Mozilla Sunbird and my calendars take about twice the time to load through WINE than natively in Windows.

The apps that I can't run natively in Linux I just run in a virtual machine. As my work is very Windows-centric I actually have four Windows VMs (2k, XP, 7, 10) but my Windows 7 one gets 99% of my VM use.

A bit more of my history with Linux since 2018:
I started with Lubuntu 18.04 LTS, then when that was getting close to its end of support date I started looking for an alternative. All the Ubuntu flavours had issues that I wasn't happy with, I tried Debian for a bit but that was worse, then I tried Linux Mint and found that it was a lot more polished / ready for use / "just worked" than the others I had tried.

First steps, my advice:
Install some virtual machine software (I use Oracle Virtualbox), do a Linux install in a VM. This will allow you to play with Linux while having Windows immediately to hand to (for example) look up information. Some people here have reported weird issues with Linux Mint 22 and went back to 21, I personally haven't felt the need to try 22. 21 is supported until 2027 IIRC so I'll probably start experimenting again next year.

One particular piece of advice I would give is this - unless the very latest version of a particular piece of software is essential, stick with the version that the Linux distro comes with. Example - LibreOffice: On Windows my thought would be "why on earth would I use an older version if a newer (and I believe to be stable) version is available?", and on Windows changing versions is easy. Linux's updating system is different, so for example Mint 21 comes with LibreOffice 7.3.x (whatever the latest security patch is). I don't *need* the latest version, and trust me, trying to get the latest version can result in way more trouble than it's worth. On this point, even after my migration to Linux, I had a VM in Linux that ran Linux so that if I was doing any experiments on Linux, they would be done in the VM rather than potentially breaking my Linux setup.

I keep a journal of new things I've done in Linux so I don't have to look up how to do such-and-such on the Internet again.

I dual-boot these days. My gaming is done almost exclusively on Windows 11, plus one or two apps that need to hit hardware directly (e.g. data recovery software), and Windows is installed on a separate SSD to Linux.
 
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I wish I was diligent enough to keep a journal of my Linux escapades. I keep imagining that I will remember what I did, and of course I don't. I do keep some notes, but they're typically incomplete.
 
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I wish I was diligent enough to keep a journal of my Linux escapades. I keep imagining that I will remember what I did, and of course I don't. I do keep some notes, but they're typically incomplete.

It's not particularly verbose, two recent entries were:

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13/10/2024 exFAT format

mkfs.exfat /dev/sdX1


01/04/2024 current cpu clock speed stuff

To get a single read-out on all CPU threads:

cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep Hz


To actively monitor the clock speed of all CPU threads:

watch -n1 "grep Hz /proc/cpuinfo"
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I often include a URL of where I got information from but I also keep the most essential bit from that page in the journal.

There's no chance on the planet that I would remember that watch command!
 
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The ones I want better notes on are when I have to go through contortions to get an app working, sometimes having to build from source, etc., where the first several attempts may fail and some little change finally makes it work. Next day on the next machine I am like, "how did I do that again?"
 
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One particular piece of advice I would give is this - unless the very latest version of a particular piece of software is essential, stick with the version that the Linux distro comes with. Example - LibreOffice: On Windows my thought would be "why on earth would I use an older version if a newer (and I believe to be stable) version is available?", and on Windows changing versions is easy. Linux's updating system is different, so for example Mint 21 comes with LibreOffice 7.3.x (whatever the latest security patch is). I don't *need* the latest version, and trust me, trying to get the latest version can result in way more trouble than it's worth. On this point, even after my migration to Linux, I had a VM in Linux that ran Linux so that if I was doing any experiments on Linux, they would be done in the VM rather than potentially breaking my Linux setup.

That is excellent advice. Have you tried Timeshift for saving status before changes and use the rollback if there are issues. I've used it a few times to recover from my tinkering..
 
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That is excellent advice. Have you tried Timeshift for saving status before changes and use the rollback if there are issues. I've used it a few times to recover from my tinkering..
I've got Timeshift set up but I've never needed it.

Well, technically I could do with Timeshift to correct an issue that recently came up in the newest version of Veracrypt, but I have no idea when I need to roll it back to or what other issues might arise from doing so! I use Veracrypt regularly but not so regularly that I would know what date the update was installed.
 

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being a college student that's a physics major
I would verify that it's possible to switch to Linux in that case. There's been enough stories with testing software that only runs on Windows that if you aren't willing to dual boot you should just stick it out.

I have a nephew who went through his entire Computer Science? Engineering? degree at Michigan Tech on Linux.

As far as Mint goes, aside from specific software it should be fine. I started moving our whole home to mostly Mint in 2022. Nowadays the kids laptop is strictly Mint, the three desktops are Mint/Windows LTSC, and Mint is the first option. The only thing Windows is used for is some games, but even then it's not usually because they don't work, it's more that I didn't have time to babysit an install in Lutris.

Be ready to use alternative programs if needed, but more and more software is coming Linux native.

As for ease, my wife and 3 kids (1st grade–5th grade at the time) all made the switch easily.
 
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