Air cooled? Temps staying below 99C?I updated to 0x12B on a 12600K and swapped in a retail 14700K.
Thanks for taking it for the scienceSee my post earlier in the thread
I updated to 0x12B on a 12600K and swapped in a retail 14700K. It's running F@H on the GPU (1t max boost load most of the time) and otherwise being used for lightly-threaded gaming with things that flog 1-2 cores. I purchased the 14700K in early December so it's been about 2 months without issue so far. Only 10 more months to go...
BIOS7D27v1J (0x12B) on MSI Z690 Ace
The reason I wrote it that way, is the trolls have been pushing back hard lately. Not because I thought it is a new CPU post mitigations that failed. It makes no sense, but they have been downvoting and trolling anyone reporting a broken raptor lake CPU lately. With Intel issuing the mea culpa of sorts and releasing a handful of fixes, it is now simply a matter of record that all 65W and above 13 and 14 gen in use prior to the final fixes, are susceptible to accelerated degradation damage. What the trolls hope to accomplish by denying reality is beyond me. It is a really bad look.
The hard evidence is not just a random user here posting their personal experience. We have numbers with large sample sizes. I'll share one example: https://alderongames.com/intel-crashesHow its not FUD if its from some random dude posted here which he read on reddit or whatever, dozen time ppl see same issue and repost
You say you will delete my post, and my experience is my own I can post bill and picture of my PCs the pics i had 20+ build in past 2y but this is not topic of AMD and I agree I have just one 13700K and i have no problem which mean nothing at all
What I see now I have no idea what is the RMA % after 1-2y of 13xx and 14gen CPU more than pure speculation (as it could be 3% or 10%+) , why I say this as even site that had RMA rate posted with the product removed it so there is defo issue but not only with Intel
Exactly. Whataboutism and and personal anecdotes are unacceptable this late in the fiasco. It does not further the discussion. It does not help affected user. It only serves to clutter up the thread and obfuscate the facts. Not going to allow that. I read other boards and reddit and the discussion can be nigh impossible to follow because trolls are allowed to smear 💩 all over everything. Not going to happen here. This discussion is a source of information for affected user. It is also a timeline of events and chronicles many affected users from individual gamers to major game developers and S.I.s.The hard evidence is not just a random user here posting their personal experience. We have numbers with large sample sizes. I'll share one example: https://alderongames.com/intel-crashes
There is no real evidence that AMD has issues like Raptor Lake. Using your experience or other anecdotes to claim that AMD crashes at a similar rate is just misinformation.
That's the whole point, if you want to discuss AMD CPU failure rates then do it in a dedicated thread. I can't wait to ask you why you built more than 20 AMD systems if a lot of them were unstable. I also can't wait to ask what happened when you submitted them for repairs/warranty coverage.but this is not topic of AMD
We had more than this, we had Intel admitting their CPUs are faulty. We had datacenters with hundreds of systems failing within months of each-other. There's nothing you can still ask, the data is abundantly clear.I am saying i want stats form sources
I am saying it. Your personal experience means nothing. This is the last obfuscating post you are going to make. After this you are typing into the void. The post below yours lays it all out.So you say my personal issue is not valid but some web page is?
Sorry, but 225/250W power limits are not conservative at all.How about this
Lmao 250 is Intel recommend amd has 230 PPT as recommended.Sorry, but 225/250W power limits are not conservative at all.
I consider 160W to be a reasonable limit and 120W a conservative limit.
Also you need to limit the frequencies too, so that the CPU does not ask for high voltage and cannot locally overheat. 5000/4000 MHz limits seem pretty safe to me.
It's just: You are the random dude here. If you really think there is no hard data read through the whole thread again.How its not FUD if its from some random dude posted here
Get a Laptop Cooling Pad to be as cool as possible.Got a Clevo at work with i5 13500H and RTX3050... 150W PSU (slim fortunately).
I prefer to live dangerously with Intel recommended™ settings:Sorry, but 225/250W power limits are not conservative at all.
I consider 160W to be a reasonable limit and 120W a conservative limit.
Also you need to limit the frequencies too, so that the CPU does not ask for high voltage and cannot locally overheat. 5000/4000 MHz limits seem pretty safe to me.
Cooled with a CLC/AIO. eVGA 280mm with stock eVGA fans thrown away and replaced with $7 Thermalright 140mm fans. I don't think I've thermal throttled yet? Though I don't usually use all cores for more than few minutes at a time.Air cooled? Temps staying below 99C?
Do a CB R24 30 min stability test on it. Once that passes, compress and decompress a 10GB file at least 10 times. If that also passes, the system should be fine.Got a Clevo at work with i5 13500H and RTX3050... 150W PSU (slim fortunately).
I had great trouble trying to complete CB R24 "Run All Tests" on my 12700K. It would either freeze (not the PC, only the benchmark) or the PC would restart.I don't think I've thermal throttled yet?
Can you imagine the backlash AMD users would get if this is what they had to do to keep a chip from degrading and/or being stable? I'm glad you are OK with buying a flagship CPU and running it at reduced settings, that's your choice. But once again you completely miss the mark by telling everyone else that's what they need to do. No Intel needs to provide a chip that can meet those specs at the price they set. If it can't, they need to reduce the settings, and then either change the name and/or reduce the price. Continuing to sell the chips at the original price when they can't meet the published specs is fraud!Sorry, but 225/250W power limits are not conservative at all.
I consider 160W to be a reasonable limit and 120W a conservative limit.
Also you need to limit the frequencies too, so that the CPU does not ask for high voltage and cannot locally overheat. 5000/4000 MHz limits seem pretty safe to me.
13500H is rebaged alder lake iircDo a CB R24 30 min stability test on it. Once that passes, compress and decompress a 10GB file at least 10 times. If that also passes, the system should be fine.
something wrong with OC?I had great trouble trying to complete CB R24 "Run All Tests" on my 12700K. It would either freeze (not the PC, only the benchmark) or the PC would restart.
Had to downgrade to Baseline Profile in BIOS and ran at DDR5-6666 to get it to pass finally. One heck of a tough test. The other difficult test is y-cruncher 1 billion (option 7). But at least it doesn't restart the PC. Just errors out if it hates the RAM settings.
No. It just reaches 100C immediately despite having a huge Icesleet G6 cooler. Maybe the socket warped. Who knows? Didn't have this hard of a time testing with CB R23 when I assembled it in 2022. Also, the stress on the IMC by the 2024 version could be additional stress that an air cooler isn't supposed to handle for Alder Lake, especially with higher DDR5 speeds?something wrong with OC?
R24 is more stressful maybe the IMC is infact not able to maintain the clocks for the DDR5 Speed also if it reaches 100 maybe try repasting it?No. It just reaches 100C immediately despite having a huge Icesleet G6 cooler. Maybe the socket warped. Who knows? Didn't have this hard of a time testing with CB R23 when I assembled it in 2022. Also, the stress on the IMC by the 2024 version could be additional stress that an air cooler isn't supposed to handle for Alder Lake, especially with higher DDR5 speeds?
Yeah. May try that if I feel inclined to mess with the huge heatsink and curse. A lotalso if it reaches 100 maybe try repasting it?
Highly likely. Now shove off M8, this isn't an Alder Lake thread.No. It just reaches 100C immediately despite having a huge Icesleet G6 cooler. Maybe the socket warped. Who knows? Didn't have this hard of a time testing with CB R23 when I assembled it in 2022. Also, the stress on the IMC by the 2024 version could be additional stress that an air cooler isn't supposed to handle for Alder Lake, especially with higher DDR5 speeds?