Square One Fallacy most infamous examples?

igor_kavinski · Feb 15, 2025

The Square One Fallacy

I recently had the chance to speak to an anti-vaxxer in person. Of course, he did not identify as such: they never do. He didn’t want to be pinned down and was just asking questions about vaccine safety. He told me that he wasn’t opposed to Robert F. Kennedy Jr. being confirmed as secretary of...

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I guess the most infamous one is ongoing as you read this (Government is highly inefficient because no one has seriously tried before and so we gonna succeed!).

lxskllr · Feb 15, 2025

I try not to hang around morons, or read stupid people's stupid thoughts, so I can't answer your question. I'm just here to suggest RFKj should take up the family tradition of catching bullets.

Greenman · Feb 15, 2025

Another sewage leak from P&N. IS THERE A JANITOR IN THE HOUSE?

Amused · Feb 17, 2025

Greenman said:
Another sewage leak from P&N. IS THERE A JANITOR IN THE HOUSE?

Translation: Please stop posting factual information about how literally batshit insane my political party has become.

Greenman · Feb 17, 2025

Amused said:
Translation: Please stop posting factual information about how literally batshit insane my political party has become.

Thread started out in OT.
Proper sanitation is the hallmark of civilization. Being a civilized person I address leakage rather than waiting for someone else to step in it, or proclaim it as a victory for those who choose to wallow in it.

UNCjigga · Feb 17, 2025

LOL, I’ve never heard ”just asking questions” referred to as “JAQing off” before, but it will forever live in my lexicon.

Brainonska511 · Feb 17, 2025

UNCjigga said:
LOL, I’ve never heard ”just asking questions” referred to as “JAQing off” before, but it will forever live in my lexicon.

It's been around for a while to mock people pretending to be skeptics who are not arguing in good faith. They just spread their fake questions of concern around as if they are a real party interested in the truth.

Relatedly, it's a good way to describe the NYT OpEd page over the years: they platform all sorts of cranks and weirdos under the guise of "diversity of voices" to propel conversation, but it just ultimately serves to launder horrible ideas under the banner of the NYT. Most people don't understand the difference between the NYT Editorial pages and the OpEd pages - they just see it all as under one banner; they think, "If the NYT is printing this, it must have some merit".

Amused · Feb 17, 2025

Greenman said:
Thread started out in OT.
Proper sanitation is the hallmark of civilization. Being a civilized person I address leakage rather than waiting for someone else to step in it, or proclaim it as a victory for those who choose to wallow in it.

Good. Clean your own house then. Because the GOP hoovered up all the batshitters and mainstreamed their batsittery. RFK jr. being the shining example.

Antivaxxers USED to be evenly distributed among right and left wing. Now virtually ALL of them are Trumpers like your brain worm buddy.

Fenixgoon · Feb 17, 2025

UNCjigga said:
LOL, I’ve never heard ”just asking questions” referred to as “JAQing off” before, but it will forever live in my lexicon.

See: tucker Carlson, Sean hannity, etc.

HomerJS · Feb 17, 2025

"people are saying"

Using strawmen to defend your indefensible position.

When asking someone to defend their position with evidence, "I'm not doing your work for you"

soulcougher73 · Feb 17, 2025

HomerJS said:
"people are saying"

Using strawmen to defend your indefensible position.

When asking someone to defend their position with evidence, "I'm not doing your work for you"

"Do your own research" tends to come out of the mouth of people who have done zero research.

Pens1566 · Feb 17, 2025

soulcougher73 said:
"Do your own research" tends to come out of the mouth of people who have done zero research.

And even if they did, they are almost always wildly unqualified to understand what it is they're "researching".

During covid, this would have been facebook epidemiologists that failed high school biology and couldn't even spell STATISTICS.

Greenman · Feb 17, 2025

Amused said:
Good. Clean your own house then. Because the GOP hoovered up all the batshitters and mainstreamed their batsittery. RFK jr. being the shining example.

Antivaxxers USED to be evenly distributed among right and left wing. Now virtually ALL of them are Trumpers like your brain worm buddy.

Your rage is misplaced. I'm in no position to undo the results of the presidential election. I've also never met RFK Jr, so no relationship has been established. Should the opportunity ever present itself, I'll share your objections with him.
Perhaps shouting at someone else would be more productive?

Muse · Feb 17, 2025

lxskllr said:
I try not to hang around morons, or read stupid people's stupid thoughts, so I can't answer your question. I'm just here to suggest RFKj should take up the family tradition of catching bullets.

He's clearly the most deserving.

Amused · Feb 17, 2025

Greenman said:
Your rage is misplaced. I'm in no position to undo the results of the presidential election. I've also never met RFK Jr, so no relationship has been established. Should the opportunity ever present itself, I'll share your objections with him.
Perhaps shouting at someone else would be more productive?

Says the guy who voted for and defends the party currently mainstreaming batshittery.

Muse · Feb 17, 2025

Brainonska511 said:
It's been around for a while to mock people pretending to be skeptics who are not arguing in good faith. They just spread their fake questions of concern around as if they are a real party interested in the truth.

Relatedly, it's a good way to describe the NYT OpEd page over the years: they platform all sorts of cranks and weirdos under the guise of "diversity of voices" to propel conversation, but it just ultimately serves to launder horrible ideas under the banner of the NYT. Most people don't understand the difference between the NYT Editorial pages and the OpEd pages - they just see it all as under one banner; they think, "If the NYT is printing this, it must have some merit".

NYT does publish some bullshit they absolutely shouldn't.

Brainonska511 · Feb 17, 2025

Muse said:
NYT does publish some bullshit they absolutely shouldn't.

Yes. They've platformed bullshit for years, and the chief editor a few years ago went on to defend it all as "encouraging conversation" and that "it appears on the op-ed page, so people know it's not really endorsed by the NYT", as if people really understand that level of nuance.

If it's in your overall opinion/editorial section, you are at minimum tacitly endorsing the ideas by giving it a platform. You can't put bullshit out into the world and act all innocent when it comes flying back.

Greenman · Feb 17, 2025

Amused said:
Says the guy who voted for and defends the party currently mainstreaming batshittery.

You've made your position clear, you're angry with Trump and it's my fault. My position is that I don't care about your feelings, and couldn't do anything about them if I did.
Is there anything else we need to discuss? Can we move along and pretend this little interlude never happened?

HomerJS · Feb 17, 2025

Greenman said:
Your rage is misplaced. I'm in no position to undo the results of the presidential election. I've also never met RFK Jr, so no relationship has been established. Should the opportunity ever present itself, I'll share your objections with him.
Perhaps shouting at someone else would be more productive?

You were in the position when the rest of us warned you what would happen.

You didn't even need us to tell you the evidence was right in front of your face.

You made for whatever reason, the choice to ignore your own eyes and ears.

Amused · Feb 17, 2025

Greenman said:
You've made your position clear, you're angry with Trump and it's my fault. My position is that I don't care about your feelings, and couldn't do anything about them if I did.
Is there anything else we need to discuss? Can we move along and pretend this little interlude never happened?

Translation: I made a stupid decision that is not only hurting me, but those around me and I refuse to take responsibility for that decision.

nakedfrog · Feb 17, 2025

Greenman said:
You've made your position clear, you're angry with Trump and it's my fault. My position is that I don't care about your feelings, and couldn't do anything about them if I did.
Is there anything else we need to discuss? Can we move along and pretend this little interlude never happened?

Have you overcome your cowardice long enough to tell us what bathroom this person should use yet?

Moonbeam · Feb 17, 2025

I love scientific research. One experiment I would love to run would be to put antivaxers into a torture chamber and see how sincerely they believe. I would like to start with a bull whip.

I know, I know, I think this way because I hate myself. No acting out allowed.

FelixDeCat · Feb 17, 2025

Moonbeam said:
I love scientific research.

I prefer keen observation and common sense.

brycejones · Feb 17, 2025

nakedfrog said:
Have you overcome your cowardice long enough to tell us what bathroom this person should use yet?

@Greenman you can do it!

Moonbeam · Feb 17, 2025

FelixDeCat said:
I prefer keen observation and common sense.

My scientific analysis, exhausting and thorough, has prove they do not exist. The indications are, when run through an AI machine, are that like matter and anti matter, they can’t coexist within people full of ego.

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