That might be true... but people opting for Windows are buying cheap stuff.
As in Strix Point is completely irrelevant because of the price.
If you look at the like best selling devices or something sure.
But pretending that nobody buys devices over $1k is... Certainly a choice. In reality, those kinds of devices do still sell well.
Apple uses process nodes that only become available to everyone else over a year later, for a start.How can AMD achieve the same? Is it a x86 Windows issue?
You don't think it's odd that the Strix Halo reviews we saw today are all coming from a tablet called Asus Republic Of Gamers Flow Z13?I don’t think Strix Halo was ever for gaming and is not now. It’s going to cost more than alternative gaming solutions.
Also the fact macOS has no games and doesn’t have all the professional applications.For sure that market is larger than that of the M* Pro/Max market.
At load it's basically dependent on TDP,Others don't show the same thing, so not sure (the battery life part, not the throttling part)? Might come down more to what power plan you have set while running on battery.
At load it's dependent on TDP. Single thread performance they'll likely not catch up even on Zen 6 against M4, because that's an architectural advantage but multi-thread performance is easier to do so and process can help catch up.That’s a big difference. This is the biggest advantage Apple has. Not throttling when unplugged and achieving better battery life.
How can AMD achieve the same? Is it a x86 Windows issue?
Yes, gaming is a primary target, and the rest are just excuses to try to make up for the high price.You don't think it's odd that the Strix Halo reviews we saw today are all coming from a tablet called Asus Republic Of Gamers Flow Z13?
The gaming market is like ~15-20% of the market.Gaming is the one Windows segment where there's been some success above 1k.
Other than that... pretty much all Apple.
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HC used the 16” Mac, its has a bigger impact on battery life. Screen way more power hungry etc.
Why are you lot pretending pricing is actually high when the reality is the Z13 pricing remains the same as the old 13900H + 4060 model? It just seems like the ASUS tax at work.Yes, gaming is a primary target, and the rest are just excuses to try to make up for the high price.
At load it's basically dependent on TDP,
Until we see it in the $800 "cheap plastic" ones then the reality is it's still competing against those. It is cheaper in that comparison, but the absolute cost is still high. Of course it doesn't need to be that cheap. Let's get it to $1500 first.Why are you lot pretending pricing is actually high when the reality is the Z13 pricing remains the same as the old 13900H + 4060 model? It just seems like the ASUS tax at work.
5070 mobile will be marginally more performant than a 4070, judging by the specs. 5070 Ti mobile is better, but it must be seen, if OEMs will adopt it massively and it may be limited by the TDP range for that kind of laptops. IMHO the only new mobile solution that may be worth considering is the 5080 that increases the shader count by a little but more importantly gets the 256 bit bus, 16 gbytes of RAM and keeps the 175W TDP. But that is a completely different solution respect to Halo, and certainly cannot fit SFF laptops or NUCs.Sorry, I meant 5070 mobile, corrected.
But again, if the supply isn't guaranteed to be there, what OEM is going to even try and put together STX-H into one of those cheaper, higher volume designs? It doesn't make sense to do so, if anything it makes more sense to reserve the low volume but high demand product for a more premium design intentionally.Until we see it in the $800 "cheap plastic" ones then the reality is it's still competing against those. It is cheaper in that comparison, but the absolute cost is still high.
And it's not just cheap materials that make those laptops cheap, they have much higher volume which lowers cost but more importantly it justifies the reduced per unit revenue.
You don't think it's odd that the only Strix Halo review we saw today is from a tablet with nerfed power limits? Especially from Asus, who has basically never had a problem day 1 launching AMD's latest and greatest in mainstream gaming laptops, egregious supply issues (cough Rembrandt cough) be damned?You don't think it's odd that the Strix Halo reviews we saw today are all coming from a tablet called Asus Republic Of Gamers Flow Z13?
This. The price argument against STX-H is very weak in my opinion, at least as long as it uses Z13 as base for BoM estimate. Don't fret though, people are just in shock a bit, they'll pivot back to "poor supply" in a day or two.The big issue right now IMO is the lack of supply, not the price. The fact that we're only getting STX-H in the Z13 - which is likely ASUS's lowest selling product - is evident that they're not confident in the supply situation. Else we likely would have seen a G14 or some other more mainstream device get the STX-H treatment too.
When I say it's not a vacuum, it includes Nvidia too. They have high margins because the high price is artificially set. I've seen this when Intel had their Iris Pro. Nvidia bundled it competitively so you had no price advantage at the end.If you want to change the discussion to what the Z13 has to compete against, sure. But pinning the high cost of the Z13 on Strix Halo is nonsensical.
How did they test it? Sometimes the testing differences matter. Did the battery life testing with CB come with the performance, or did they do battery testing first, and they did CB testing later?Which is why the result where Strix Halo is significantly dropping power consumption on battery but getting worse battery life at load than the M4 which keeps the same power doesn't make sense.
It's cool, but only long term will prove whether it'll be a lasting product or not.This. The price argument against STX-H is very weak in my opinion, at least as long as it uses Z13 as base for BoM estimate. Don't fret though, people are just in shock a bit, they'll pivot back to "poor supply" in a day or two.
None of that is the iGP appeal.The appeal for iGPUs are:
-Battery life
-Form factor
-Cost, of which can greatly justify the above two
There ain't any, most gaming laptops shipped are x70 tier and below.You are losing the flexibility of a dGPU
Guess what halo targets!
Targets the same GFX segment.AI whores?
Uh... it is. That's why most carry that mindset hoping the same for halo. Except when you lose the two important parts. It sounds nice, but it's not so simple in reality.None of that is the iGP appeal.
No one cares about hypebubble stuff outside of DC accel sales.
nope.That's why most carry that mindset hoping the same for halo
because volume filler SKUs can always be done later.And for price, why do you think AMD prices their highest Desktop APU graphics config with the highest CPU config? Even in that case you are paying more for an iGPU, because you are forced to buy the high end CPU even if you don't want it.
No I don’t think it’s odd. Gamers are constantly trying to game on hardware not designed for gaming and willing to spend large amounts of extra money to do it, for reasons I don’t fully grasp. There are even some people buying Macs just to game on, not for any Mac specific purpose.Apple uses process nodes that only become available to everyone else over a year later, for a start.
You don't think it's odd that the Strix Halo reviews we saw today are all coming from a tablet called Asus Republic Of Gamers Flow Z13?