Trump blames Ukraine for starting the war with Russia

gdansk

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Trump is not lying, he's just an idiot. Russia started the war but Trump sees that Ukraine doesn't feel pressured to end the war on his terms so now he has to blame them for not accepting his "peace" (concession) plan.

The only thing that might keep the EU US-aligned is that all other options are worse but Trump is making the US a worse partner for Europe than even China.

Even Xi said the the plan presented by Trump is untenable. Phenomenal stupidity. Beyond what I considered possible even for this clown.
 

Jaskalas

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This is not a question.

We all saw Russia attack Ukraine in 2022. We all saw it was a full scale invasion focused on a decapitation strike in Kyiv. Russia moved with the express intent of outright killing Ukraine.
Russia continues, to this day, to vow that Ukraine has no right to exist. And through their actions they carpet bomb as much of the entire country as humanly possible, often striking dense residential buildings. As the Russia purpose has always been one thing: Genocide.

This is a Russian act to take another's land through ethnic cleansing. No different than what we did to Native Americans. If we are not still evil colonialists, then it is our duty to repent not through words but through action.
  • It is our moral duty to kill the invader and protect the invaded.
Anyone at odds with that purpose is betraying the Americans who fought and died in World War 2. For the peace and justice they died for. For the lasting peace we upheld by the creation of NATO. To ensure stability and economic opportunity instead of horror and bloodshed. Those people who act against these moral principles, they are violating the very idea of being an American. Unless their idea is a return to colonialism and to becoming evil incarnate. To once more endorse Genocide and ethnic cleansing.

At that point, I have no words for them. Nor do I want any. They have committed themselves to the highest treason and we shall forever stand at cross purpose.
 

mikeymikec

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These days I think Moscow is just seeing what they can get Trump to parrot mainly for shits and giggles (though this incident will be a minor internal Russian state PR win). He's just that fucking stupid.

Whether he's also a liar is beside the point: Everyone has a moral responsibility to present truth and so therefore should have the wit and interest in pursuing the truth to one's satisfaction. He's not doing that for whatever reason: Malice, lack of wit or interest.
 
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pauldun170

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Trump - Fool who anyone can manipulate and Putin's bitch since 2016. Well established.
Musk - Heavily invested in Putin succeeding and being directly used to manipulate Trump while also being manipulated by Thiel.
Theil - Manipulating both Musk and Trump to destroy the democratic system, his long time goal that was documented back in 2016
 

HomerJS

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We all saw Russia attack Ukraine in 2022. We all saw it was a full scale invasion focused on a decapitation strike in Kyiv. Russia moved with the express intent of outright killing Ukraine.
Russia continues, to this day, to vow that Ukraine has no right to exist. And through their actions they carpet bomb as much of the entire country as humanly possible, often striking dense residential buildings. As the Russia purpose has always been one thing: Genocide.

This is a Russian act to take another's land through ethnic cleansing. No different than what we did to Native Americans. If we are not still evil colonialists, then it is our duty to repent not through words but through action.
  • It is our moral duty to kill the invader and protect the invaded.
Anyone at odds with that purpose is betraying the Americans who fought and died in World War 2. For the peace and justice they died for. For the lasting peace we upheld by the creation of NATO. To ensure stability and economic opportunity instead of horror and bloodshed. Those people who act against these moral principles, they are violating the very idea of being an American. Unless their idea is a return to colonialism and to becoming evil incarnate. To once more endorse Genocide and ethnic cleansing.

At that point, I have no words for them. Nor do I want any. They have committed themselves to the highest treason and we shall forever stand at cross purpose.
The people here who voted for Trump will disagree with you.
 
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Can't he just die already? I don't care how anymore, heart attack, aneurism, fall down the stairs, Caesar at the Curia of Pompey-eque demise, I don't care any more. Just die you fat, bloviating, lying, rancid sack of used cat litter shoved in a hot dog skin and made sentient.
 

HomerJS

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manly

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Of course, now to continue the brainwashing/gaslighting Trump has taken to calling Zelensky a dictator.

Trump lickers here of course will applaud.

Hilarious considering he doesn't even want Ukraine or western Europe at the negotiating table. How can they "move fast" when they aren't invited to the game?
Honestly we all knew UA was fucked under Trump 2.0, but it's still pathetic to see it unfolding. And not only is Ukraine fucked, but Trump essentially wants to kill NATO and let Putin dominate eastern Europe.

And big props to Pres. Zelenskyy for basically calling Trump a dumb fuck or a liar, obviously in the most polite way possible.
 
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ivwshane

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This is not a question.

We all saw Russia attack Ukraine in 2022. We all saw it was a full scale invasion focused on a decapitation strike in Kyiv. Russia moved with the express intent of outright killing Ukraine.
Russia continues, to this day, to vow that Ukraine has no right to exist. And through their actions they carpet bomb as much of the entire country as humanly possible, often striking dense residential buildings. As the Russia purpose has always been one thing: Genocide.

This is a Russian act to take another's land through ethnic cleansing. No different than what we did to Native Americans. If we are not still evil colonialists, then it is our duty to repent not through words but through action.
  • It is our moral duty to kill the invader and protect the invaded.
Anyone at odds with that purpose is betraying the Americans who fought and died in World War 2. For the peace and justice they died for. For the lasting peace we upheld by the creation of NATO. To ensure stability and economic opportunity instead of horror and bloodshed. Those people who act against these moral principles, they are violating the very idea of being an American. Unless their idea is a return to colonialism and to becoming evil incarnate. To once more endorse Genocide and ethnic cleansing.

At that point, I have no words for them. Nor do I want any. They have committed themselves to the highest treason and we shall forever stand at cross purpose.

Just a small correction: Russia attacked Ukraine in 2014 when it took over Crimea.
 
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HomerJS

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As expected, bow to the demands of Trump and Putin or else. Of course, he will blame Zelensky, and his idiot followers will believe.

I can't believe I'm saying this and not sure I really believe it but maybe WW3 is the only way to settle it with Trump in office. Europe gets together against Putin. Of course, that would put us on the side of Putin/Russia. Trump wouldn't send in troops but I can see Trump providing logistics/intelligence aid to Russia. Wonder if that's when the military refuses those orders.
 
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Indus

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As expected, bow to the demands of Trump and Putin or else. Of course, he will blame Zelensky, and his idiot followers will believe.

I can't believe I'm saying this and not sure I really believe it but maybe WW3 is the only way to settle it with Trump in office. Europe gets together against Putin. Of course, that would put us on the side of Putin/Russia. Trump wouldn't send in troops but I can see Trump providing logistics/intelligence aid to Russia. Wonder if that's when the military refuses those orders.

I would love some nukes going off and 74 million Trumpanzees barbequed.
 
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MrSquished

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As expected, bow to the demands of Trump and Putin or else. Of course, he will blame Zelensky, and his idiot followers will believe.

I can't believe I'm saying this and not sure I really believe it but maybe WW3 is the only way to settle it with Trump in office. Europe gets together against Putin. Of course, that would put us on the side of Putin/Russia. Trump wouldn't send in troops but I can see Trump providing logistics/intelligence aid to Russia. Wonder if that's when the military refuses those orders.
Europe should not bow down. You simply can't.
 
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GodisanAtheist

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Does Ukraine have a GoFundMe I can throw some money at or...

This whole thread seems like a Red Wedding-esq trap to lure in all the pro-Russian trolls and... find a solution to them in one fell swoop.
 

MrSquished

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LOL mofo went straight to blackmail. I don’t know how Marco Rubio goes to work with a straight face. Not that he isn’t a ghoul too.

Still pondering the move to western Russia, I mean the EU? (I kid.)
Yes, even more so now. My timeline has been accelerated at this point, although I am falling in love, which does complicate things.

My brother-in-law has a potential job opportunity in Europe (while staying at his current company). It's very preliminary right now but he is likely going out there for his job now and it could potentially be an option for him. At that point I would just ask for an extra room in their house to be available if I need it and keep that in my back pocket.

They are seriously considering moving there because they see the writing on the wall like those of us in reality are seeing it. And it's really fucking bad.
 

APU_Fusion

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I have feeling if pushed to the wall Ukraine will at least bomb the shit out of Moscow and put the kremlin to rubble.

Trump is a complete traitor to America and so are greenman pcgeek and all the other Magats. Trump is straight gas lighting Ukraine attacked first and Zelensky is a dictator. Blatant lies and betrayal. Then again that defines magat and America now. Sad to watch it all go down while the lemming clap and drool thinking someday they too will be millionaires.
 
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