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Kaido

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Crazy how much society has changed due to technology after the turn of the century. In 1999, we were all worried about the Y2K bug. In 2006, no one would know what "use your iPhone to call an Uber to get to your AirBnB" meant lol. My grandma was born in the Great Depression & went from being dirt-poor to living through the Jet Age to seeing man walk on the moon to being the first person in our family to have a robot vacuum & flat-screen TV.

Now you can buy a CGM without a subscription, your Apple Watch has a sleep apnea test built-in, the Apple AirPods Pro 2 earbuds act as hearing aids & have a built-in hearing test, you can monitor your health 24/7 with magic rings, a 100" flat-screen TV is under two grand, you can cook with artificial intelligence, etc. Wikipedia & ChatGPT will tell you anything you want to know. We live in crazy times!!
 

JM Aggie08

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Music streaming and wikipedia > *

Everything else has become a bastardized version of its former self or has been a detriment to society.
 

nakedfrog

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The Instant Pot is kind of a stretch, isn't it? We had pressure cookers already. Tesla too, we've been experimenting with electric cars for absolutely ages. Skype was just a refinement of things we were already doing with ICQ before (you could do voice calls on it, just wasn't so great over dial-up). Android is just specialized Linux, Snapchat is just different Instagram, TikTok is just Instagram that's all videos in a relentless stream, Xbox was just a console-ified PC, and so on...
The way we use "AI" now is nearly meaningless, it's like the "now with COMPUTERS!" fad from the 70s/80s.
 

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nakedfrog said:
The way we use "AI" now is nearly meaningless, it's like the "now with COMPUTERS!" fad from the 70s/80s.
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ChatGPT can do a pretty substantial part of my job for me and what it can’t do it can help me debug (software/robotics engineer). I wasn’t alive in the 70s and most of the 80s but it feels like the most useful productivity tech to come out for decades.
 
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andy2000

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I would argue that most of those are iterative at best compared to the previous 25 years (1975-2000). I'm still waiting for something really new to come along in the 21st century.

For example, Netflix wouldn't have existed if not for VHS, and DVD creating a market for home video. We're still using direct descendants of the original IBM PC, and Apple Macintosh. Those depend on Intel X86, and ARM processors which are also from that period. You wouldn't have Spotify without digital audio, which started in the home as the Compact Disc. You didn't mention the iPod, but that's just a descendant of the Walkman, which invented the entire concept of personal hifi.

Many of those examples depend on the web, from the 90's. Modern home video game consoles are a product of the 80's and 90's (and late 70's). Amazon prime is just a paid retail loyalty program. Airbnb is just a way to use the Internet to rent a room. Email existed long before Gmail, and Google maps just copied MapQuest. I can remember hearing about virtual reality as far back as the 80's, and I'm still waiting for it to catch on. Tesla is just another car company, and SpaceX is just another aerospace contractor.

I'll give you that the smart phone was a real game changer, but it's still just an combination of things that already existed (cell phone, laptop computer, and Internet combined into one).
 

nakedfrog

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repoman0 said:
ChatGPT can do a pretty substantial part of my job for me and what it can’t do it can help me debug (software/robotics engineer). I wasn’t alive in the 70s and most of the 80s but it feels like the most useful productivity tech to come out for decades.
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That's not what I'm talking about though. I'm talking about various other products where they just slap AI on the product description/name.
 

Kaido

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andy2000 said:
I would argue that most of those are iterative at best compared to the previous 25 years (1975-2000). I'm still waiting for something really new to come along in the 21st century.

For example, Netflix wouldn't have existed if not for VHS, and DVD creating a market for home video. We're still using direct descendants of the original IBM PC, and Apple Macintosh. Those depend on Intel X86, and ARM processors which are also from that period. You wouldn't have Spotify without digital audio, which started in the home as the Compact Disc. You didn't mention the iPod, but that's just a descendant of the Walkman, which invented the entire concept of personal hifi.

Many of those examples depend on the web, from the 90's. Modern home video game consoles are a product of the 80's and 90's (and late 70's). Amazon prime is just a paid retail loyalty program. Airbnb is just a way to use the Internet to rent a room. Email existed long before Gmail, and Google maps just copied MapQuest. I can remember hearing about virtual reality as far back as the 80's, and I'm still waiting for it to catch on. Tesla is just another car company, and SpaceX is just another aerospace contractor.

I'll give you that the smart phone was a real game changer, but it's still just an combination of things that already existed (cell phone, laptop computer, and Internet combined into one).
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Everything is a remix:

 

GodisanAtheist

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andy2000 said:
I would argue that most of those are iterative at best compared to the previous 25 years (1975-2000). I'm still waiting for something really new to come along in the 21st century.

For example, Netflix wouldn't have existed if not for VHS, and DVD creating a market for home video. We're still using direct descendants of the original IBM PC, and Apple Macintosh. Those depend on Intel X86, and ARM processors which are also from that period. You wouldn't have Spotify without digital audio, which started in the home as the Compact Disc. You didn't mention the iPod, but that's just a descendant of the Walkman, which invented the entire concept of personal hifi.

Many of those examples depend on the web, from the 90's. Modern home video game consoles are a product of the 80's and 90's (and late 70's). Amazon prime is just a paid retail loyalty program. Airbnb is just a way to use the Internet to rent a room. Email existed long before Gmail, and Google maps just copied MapQuest. I can remember hearing about virtual reality as far back as the 80's, and I'm still waiting for it to catch on. Tesla is just another car company, and SpaceX is just another aerospace contractor.

I'll give you that the smart phone was a real game changer, but it's still just an combination of things that already existed (cell phone, laptop computer, and Internet combined into one).
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-Well, yeah that's how tech works...

I think the root of the question being asked is tech that has had a transformative effect on society rather than tech that itself is transformatively new .

Like, yeah MySpace was a precursor to Facebook and Twitter and such, but it didn't completely fuck up society like the latter two have done either.
 

Kaido

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nakedfrog said:
The Instant Pot is kind of a stretch, isn't it? We had pressure cookers already. Tesla too, we've been experimenting with electric cars for absolutely ages. Skype was just a refinement of things we were already doing with ICQ before (you could do voice calls on it, just wasn't so great over dial-up). Android is just specialized Linux, Snapchat is just different Instagram, TikTok is just Instagram that's all videos in a relentless stream, Xbox was just a console-ified PC, and so on...
The way we use "AI" now is nearly meaningless, it's like the "now with COMPUTERS!" fad from the 70s/80s.
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Pretty much everything is iterative development. Pressure cookers were around forever, but they sold millions after making them pushbutton electric. My neighbor had a GM EV1; Tesla simply brought EV's mainstream. Skype is just MSN Messenger. Xbox is just a Microsoft Playstation.

I miss the Blockbuster experience. I go to the mall once a year just to see the state of things & it gets more depressing every year. Amazon & Walmart has killed everything locally. There are no computer parts stores locally. Going anywhere out of the house costs money now lol.
 
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manly

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Kaido said:
Pretty much everything is iterative development. Pressure cookers were around forever, but they sold millions after making them pushbutton electric. My neighbor had a GM EV1; Tesla simply brought EV's mainstream. Skype is just MSN Messenger. Xbox is just a Microsoft Playstation.

I miss the Blockbuster experience. I go to the mall once a year just to see the state of things & it gets more depressing every year. Amazon & Walmart has killed everything locally. There are no computer parts stores locally. Going anywhere out of the house costs money now lol.
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Yeah bringing things mainstream to the masses is what delivers huge benefits (or harm ) to society. Speaking of iterative development, it's always amusing how some people like to say Apple has no hits after Steve Jobs. The closest thing over 15 years is the Watch. Maybe they've had no product hits, but meanwhile Tim Cook and the gang just crank out net profits like no other...

Android is not just "specialized Linux."

Why did OP leave out Pornhub?
 
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nakedfrog

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Kaido said:
Pretty much everything is iterative development. Pressure cookers were around forever, but they sold millions after making them pushbutton electric. My neighbor had a GM EV1; Tesla simply brought EV's mainstream. Skype is just MSN Messenger. Xbox is just a Microsoft Playstation.

I miss the Blockbuster experience. I go to the mall once a year just to see the state of things & it gets more depressing every year. Amazon & Walmart has killed everything locally. There are no computer parts stores locally. Going anywhere out of the house costs money now lol.
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What, your city doesn't have a library?
My library is cool, you can print up to 400 pages free every month. There's monthly free concerts (I might get to perform at one of them this year). Meeting rooms you can reserve.

And no, Xbox is not just a Microsoft PlayStation, I already said it was just a console-ified PC
 
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Kaido

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nakedfrog said:
What, your city doesn't have a library?
My library is cool, you can print up to 400 pages free every month. There's monthly free concerts (I might get to perform at one of them this year). Meeting rooms you can reserve.

And no, Xbox is not just a Microsoft PlayStation, I already said it was just a console-ified PC
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Kaido

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manly said:
Android is not just "specialized Linux."
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I mean, technically it is:

Kernel overview | Android Open Source Project

source.android.com

The Android kernel is based on an upstream Linux Long Term Supported (LTS) kernel. At Google, LTS kernels are combined with Android-specific patches to form what are known as Android Common Kernels (ACKs).
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Android's watch OS is a closed-source Android distro:

Wear OS - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

All of Apple's products, including their phones & watches, are Linux-adjacent as well. I got waaaay to well-versed with their forks back in my Hackintosh days. The basic lineage is:

1. UNIX (1969)
2. BSD (1977)
3a. NeXTSTEP (1989 = Mach + BSD) > OpenStep; 3b. FreeBSD (1993 from 386BSD)
4. Darwin (Apple's previously open-source OS core, currently on v24 for the latest Apple operating systems))
5. XNU kernel (hybrid kernel = Mach + NeXTSTEP + OpenStep)
6. AppleOS family (macOS, iOS, watchOS, bridgeOS, tvOS, & iPadOS)

The OSx86 community still exists, but everything is ARM SoC M-chips now (fast, runs cool, and surprisingly affordable for Apple) so it's kind of a dying art. They've been working on a Linux variant for Apple Silicone:

About - Asahi Linux

asahilinux.org

 

lxskllr

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I wouldn't single out android as being a gamechanger. Mobile computers, yes, but not android particularly.

I'm still annoyed convergent devices still aren't really a thing. Ubuntu phone was a cool idea, and nobody's done anything with it. I see no reason you can't dock a phone and have a fully functional, fully desktop experience. Not bullshit mobile apps on a quasi desktop. Real desktop programs on a real desktop when docked. You can pocket it and walk away when done, and use it somewhere else. Maybe even laptop where the phone is the computer.
 
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Kaido

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lxskllr said:
I wouldn't single out android as being a gamechanger. Mobile computers, yes, but not android particularly.

I'm still annoyed convergent devices still aren't really a thing. Ubuntu phone was a cool idea, and nobody's done anything with it. I see no reason you can't dock a phone and have a fully functional, fully desktop experience. Not bull mobile apps on a quasi desktop. Real desktop programs on a real desktop when docked. You can pocket it and walk away when done, and use it somewhere else. Maybe even laptop where the phone is the computer.
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Samsung Dex:

 
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