8GB VRAM not enough (and 10 / 12)

BFG10K · Jul 13, 2021

8GB

Dying Light 2, Battlefield 2042, Avatar Frontiers of Pandora, Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3, Starfield, Forza Horizon 5, Horizon Forbidden West, Alan Wake 2, The Last of Us, Tekken 8, FC 24, Detroit Become Human, Death Stranding, Alone in The Dark, Overwatch 2
3060 12GB higher 1% low than 4060 8GB https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIfz57wmywg
Cyberpunk 2077, Diablo 4, Hogwarts Legacy, Horizon Zero Dawn, Microsoft Flight Sim 2020, Witcher 3, Watch Dogs Legion skip to 4K + DLSS for each game https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPiaWWd0xGc
Ratchet & Clank, Plague Tale Requiem, Last Of Us, Jedi Survivor, Far Cry 6, Hogwarts Legacy, Forza Horizon 5, Cyberpunk 2077 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wr3MckDxMfE&pp=ygUTMTZnYiB2cyA4Z2IgNDA2MCB0aQ==
Far Cry 6, Godfall, Hogwarts Legacy, Forza Horizon 5, Forspoken, Doom Eternal, Watchdogs Legion https://youtu.be/fJc--C01P90?t=268
Last Of Us, Resident Evil 4, Callisto Protocol, Plague Tale Requiem, Halo Infinite, Forspoken https://youtu.be/2_Y3E631ro8?t=429
Last Of Us, Hogwarts Legacy, Resident Evil 4, Forspoken, Plague Tale Requiem, Callisto Protocol https://youtu.be/Rh7kFgHe21k?t=288
Hogwarts Legacy, Last Of Us, Spider Man Remastered, Doom Eternal, Forza Horizon 5 https://youtu.be/R943CbDTq_s?t=1473
Horizon Forbidden West 4060 has issues @ 1080p + DLSS unless you switch off frame generation and reduce settings to high https://youtu.be/3AyKvI23VGw?t=233
Horizon Forbidden West 3070 requires reducing textures 2 notches https://youtu.be/xTwEGy6HHKo?t=351
Deathloop https://youtu.be/lu_XHyO-6zY?t=918
Ghost Recon Breakpoint https://youtu.be/iUGppQVpXzU?t=529
Resident Evil 2 https://youtu.be/Aa-gsgRjMII?t=796
Talos Principle 2 https://youtu.be/K6FATQAuEwI?t=337
Spider Man Remastered https://youtu.be/vRVR_plVSlc?t=1060
Witcher 3 https://youtu.be/vRVR_plVSlc?t=1240

Horizon Forbidden West 3060 is faster than the 2080 Super despite the former usually competing with the 2070. Also 3060 has a better 1% low than 4060 and 4060Ti 8GB.

Resident Evil Village 3060TI/3070 tanks at 4K and is slower than the 3060/6700XT when ray tracing:

Company Of Heroes 3060 has a higher minimum than the 3070TI:

10GB / 12GB

Plague Tale Requiem 3080 10GB tanks if you enable ray tracing, would be fast enough if it had more VRAM because if you stop moving, the framerate stabilizes to >60FPS https://youtu.be/7zjrMww3fAc?t=496
Hogwarts Legacy 4K + RT, 4060Ti 16GB is faster than 4070 12GB https://youtu.be/X-h_R488Mq8?t=191

Reasons why still shipping 8GB since 2014 isn't NV's fault.

It's the player's fault.
It's the reviewer's fault.
It's the developer's fault.
It's AMD's fault.
It's the game's fault.
It's the driver's fault.
It's a system configuration issue.
Wrong settings were tested.
Wrong area was tested.
Wrong games were tested.
4K is irrelevant.
Texture quality is irrelevant as long as it matches a console's.
Detail levels are irrelevant as long as they match a console's.
There's no reason a game should use more than 8GB, because a random forum user said so.
It's completely acceptable for the more expensive 3070/3070TI/3080 to turn down settings while the cheaper 3060/6700XT has no issue.
It's an anomaly.
It's a console port.
It's a conspiracy against NV.
8GB cards aren't meant for 4K / 1440p / 1080p / 720p gaming.
It's completely acceptable to disable ray tracing on NV while AMD has no issue.
Polls, hardware market share, and game title count are evidence 8GB is enough, but are totally ignored when they don't suit the ray tracing agenda.

According to some people here, 8GB is neeeevaaaaah NV's fault and objective evidence "doesn't count" because of reasons(tm). If you have others please let me know and I'll add them to the list. Cheers!

poke01 · Feb 14, 2025

Been looking at a few benchmarks of KCD II, why do AMD cards perform so poorly in that game?
Its not NV sponsered at all.

Did AMD release a driver update for this game?
Some AMD users have the same question

Re: Kingdom Come Deliverance 2 Drivers

The game is definitely not fully optimized because on my 7900xtx I get clocks of up to 3GHZ in 4k. This usually means that the game is not fully utilizing the GPU core, but the stability of December drivers is great so the game experience is really good. It would be nice to have those extra 5-10...

community.amd.com

Edit: looks like both NV and Intel released a driver update for this game on the 30th Jan.

poke01 · Feb 14, 2025

ToTTenTranz said:
I believe a good part of the problem is the raytracing bloat that devs have been adopting as per Nvidia's "request" and marketing co-sponsorship, as the BVH tree occupies quite a bit of VRAM by itself.

you forget where games are made for consoles first and RT is mandatory on consoles too for games like Indy.

ToTTenTranz said:
The funniest thing is that Nvidia is now promoting neural-network generated textures to save VRAM space

again AMD is also doing the same thing if you bother to read their GPUOpen papers

ToTTenTranz said:
Nvidia-only solution (neural textures)

Intel and AMD have their own solutions for this...

poke01 · Feb 14, 2025

marees said:
8gb & 12gb are clearly insufficient due to consoles

12GB should be dead in 2025 and 8GB needs to packed and sent to Jensens behind.

Hans Gruber · Feb 14, 2025

poke01 said:
12GB should be dead in 2025 and 8GB needs to packed and sent to Jensens behind.

Based on the spot price of Vram. I agree. Just remember, manufacturers are paying significantly less for vram than the spot price market. 16GB should have been the minimum and Vram should have been 64GB on cards like the 5090.

Ranulf · Feb 14, 2025

poke01 said:
Been looking at a few benchmarks of KCD II, why do AMD cards perform so poorly in that game?

The game is Crytek engine and apparently AMD cards have had issues with it for awhile.

poke01 · Feb 14, 2025

Ranulf said:
The game is Crytek engine and apparently AMD cards have had issues with it for awhile.

All the more reason for AMD to focus on the driver for this game.

It’s kinda sad to see, cause I thought we finally had an engine that worked well on all GPUs. Hopefully, AMD works to improve their support as this game is selling well.

marees · Feb 15, 2025

poke01 said:
All the more reason for AMD to focus on the driver for this game.

It’s kinda sad to see, cause I thought we finally had an engine that worked well on all GPUs. Hopefully, AMD works to improve their support as this game is selling well.

Maybe the RDNA 4 drivers will fix this (including older RDNA 3 cards too )

adroc_thurston · Feb 15, 2025

poke01 said:
Been looking at a few benchmarks of KCD II, why do AMD cards perform so poorly in that game?

Cryengine is a hatecrime against AMD GPUs.

marees · Feb 15, 2025

DAPUNISHER said:
I dislike the amount of truth in the statement about poor optimization though. It is probably the strongest defense the "losing side" offers. I am playing Rise of the Tomb Raider, and the game looks and plays amazing for how little vram is uses. Something certainly went wrong somewhere. Hell, look at how well Kingdom Come Deliverance 2 runs on 8GB cards.

I believe that game uses (Voxel) Cone Tracing rather than (Pixel) Ray Tracing

Not sure if that contributes to lower VRAM usage. Maybe they use other such tricks to optimize VRAM

SolidQ · Feb 15, 2025

Been looking at a few benchmarks of KCD II, why do AMD cards perform so poorly in that game?

Seems NV got massive improvement in release version, compare to preview

poke01 · Feb 15, 2025

SolidQ said:
Seems NV got massive improvement in release version, compare to preview

yes the driver update helped a lot

DAPUNISHER · Feb 17, 2025

Decade old game in November -

SolidQ · Feb 17, 2025

4060 vs 7600XT

DAPUNISHER · Feb 17, 2025

SolidQ said:
4060 vs 7600XT

He does not emphasize you can keep the textures maxed on the 16GB card, or spend any time comparing the difference that can make in those titles. Since he kept optimizing for a 60fps target, why not spend more time on frame generation? At 60fps in all of those single player titles you can apply it. Oh that's right, the 4060 can't use it without upscaling from an absurdly low internal resolution.

igor_kavinski · Feb 20, 2025

Reposting a lovely example of using the wrong "settings":

If only the moronic reviewer had used the 4060 the way it was meant to be used. How else can anyone explain a card with less RAM bandwidth and lower GPU frequency from two generations ago, beating the 4060 to a pulp? It can't be anything else other than the wrong settings used, can it? (imagine an orangutan scratching its head)

marees · Mar 1, 2025

the measured behaviour is sufficient for us to simply not recommend this game to anyone with a graphics card with 8GB of VRAM or less. Having to decide between high textures that cause stutters while looking sub-par and medium textures that look even worse, neither is a choice we can particularly recommend.

To sum up, lower-end graphics cards with lower VRAM allocations should avoid Monster Hunter Wilds until these issues are rectified. Higher-end hardware can brute-force the game's shortcomings to some degree, but it's still hard to recommend such a flawed technical outing - or even derive optimised settings.

Monster Hunter Wilds - we can't recommend the PC version

Alex Battaglia takes on Monster Hunter Wilds on PC. Why do we keep having to mention the #stutterstruggle for PC releases?

www.eurogamer.net

marees · Mar 3, 2025

BMW effect ??

Share of 4060 doubled in the last one month !!!!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1896482605530308889

DAPUNISHER · Mar 3, 2025

^ Steam survey is fake news. One month Chinese jumped 25% as a language, and that same month the RTX 3060 jumped to 10% of all users. They "corrected" it but far from the first time those "errors" have happened.

SolidQ · Mar 3, 2025

DAPUNISHER said:
They "corrected" it but far from the first time those "errors" have happened.

I think they gonna fix it, like previous time

DAPUNISHER · Mar 3, 2025

LMAO has to be the gaming cafe distortion again. Chinese jumped almost 21%.

igor_kavinski · Mar 4, 2025

More fodder for this thread!

5070 beats 3090 @ 1080p!

@1440p too!

BUT what is this????

How does stinky two generations old 3090 come out ahead at 4K?

Must be the settings, yeah?

igor_kavinski · Mar 4, 2025

Such horrible settings!

Jaskalas · Mar 4, 2025

And this is why I have not rushed to grab any 12gb GPU.
After 8gb failed, it became clear 12gb would not hold up either.

Tomorrow will be a much better showing than today.

Ranulf · Mar 4, 2025

igor_kavinski said:
How does stinky two generations old 3090 come out ahead at 4K?

Sir, sir... I think you must expect lowered expectations and consider what is appropriate levels of gaming goodness and rays traced along the path of righteousness.

igor_kavinski · Mar 6, 2025

Nvidia might launch a 96GB RTX 4090 as weak supply limits market growth

A web developer going by "@eisneim" on X (formerly Twitter) claims to have seen an RTX 4090 with 96GB of VRAM, quadruple the 24GB normally available to...

www.techspot.com

96GB should last quite a while, though at $6000 or more, may not be a steal.

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