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Lifer
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I don't have any answers, just questions. The biggest question is why anyone wouldn't want this looked at. If the system isn't working correctly it should be fixed, if it is working correctly and not producing errors then we move on.

Surely it depends on whether the system 'not working correctly' has any meaningful negative consequence? If the glitch has no real-world effects, is it worth spending millions of tax-dollars on fixing it?



The primary problem here seems to be that it's Musk looking into it.

Certainly seems to be a problem that you have some random weirdo with an ideological agenda getting access to the most sensitive parts of government systems, on a very dubious legal basis.
 

brycejones

Lifer
Oct 18, 2005
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I don't have any answers, just questions. The biggest question is why anyone wouldn't want this looked at. If the system isn't working correctly it should be fixed, if it is working correctly and not producing errors then we move on.
The primary problem here seems to be that it's Musk looking into it.
Have you looked into this like at all? Also as hard as it may be to understand we do not seek to fix every single error in data or applications. Issues are evaluated based on their impact, risk of something really bad happening, and finally the cost to remedy the issue. Most applications of any kind of complexity have a constant backlog of identified bugs waiting to be repaired that are not because they are not that critical.
 

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Lifer
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Have you looked into this like at all? Also as hard as it may be to understand we do not seek to fix every single error in data or applications. Issues are evaluated based on their impact, risk of something really bad happening, and finally the cost to remedy the issue. Most applications of any kind of complexity have a constant backlog of identified bugs waiting to be repaired that are not because they are not that critical.

I have to say that "spending a disproportionate amount of effort fixing something that's technically wrong but doesn't actually matter very much" is something I tended to do when I was a "coder" (in part of government, no less), and that was a reason why I wasn't a particularly good employee - always had issues with that sort of obsessiveness and hence spent way too much time rewriting systems that worked well enough, just because their imperfectly-structured nature, and minor bugs, bugged me (including staying late and doing unpaid overtime on it)...
...while, conversely, on one embarrassing occasion I screwed up because of my failure to keep up with doing one of the extremely boring routine parts of the job (that I should have been spending that time on).

This is one reason why it was a good thing I was never responsible for anything safety-critical.
 

nakedfrog

No Lifer
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Would we save enough from fixing these alleged Social Security discrepancies to offset the amount we've already spent on Trump golfing in 2025? Or his little NASCAR stunt? My bet is on "no".
Meanwhile, has DOGE yet said anything about fossil fuel subsidies? Guessing that remains elusive?
 
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dainthomas

Lifer
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I don't have any answers, just questions. The biggest question is why anyone wouldn't want this looked at. If the system isn't working correctly it should be fixed, if it is working correctly and not producing errors then we move on.
The primary problem here seems to be that it's Musk looking into it.

If there's an error costing you $5/mo, but it would cost $50k to go in and fix, do you do it?
 

nakedfrog

No Lifer
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I don't have any answers, just questions. The biggest question is why anyone wouldn't want this looked at. If the system isn't working correctly it should be fixed, if it is working correctly and not producing errors then we move on.
The primary problem here seems to be that it's Musk looking into it.
You are pathetic, pathetically transparent, and a coward. The primary problem is that this is unconstitutional.
Do you have the courage to admit that if Biden had appointed Bill Gates to a special governmental role to "audit the government" and he appointed a bunch of incredibly young leftists to do the work, and they were granted illegal access to critical government systems, you would then be able to see a problem with it?
I suspect you do not have that courage.
And yes, I would say all of this to your face, what would you do, punch me? I've been punched before, and by better than you.
 

ivwshane

Lifer
May 15, 2000
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I don't have any answers, just questions. The biggest question is why anyone wouldn't want this looked at. If the system isn't working correctly it should be fixed, if it is working correctly and not producing errors then we move on.
The primary problem here seems to be that it's Musk looking into it.

If you are doing work on a house that has massive sewer problems do you want it to be addressed? Of course! Do you want someone who is competent and has a history of such work or do you want the guy who says he can get the job done in half the time for half the cost who then keeps revising “the numbers” which keep going up? Oh and they “don’t do permits”.

That should put this situation in terms you can understand.
 

[DHT]Osiris

Lifer
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I don't have any answers, just questions. The biggest question is why anyone wouldn't want this looked at. If the system isn't working correctly it should be fixed, if it is working correctly and not producing errors then we move on.
The primary problem here seems to be that it's Musk looking into it.
Because there's never been an indication that something isn't working as expected until a billionaire said it wasn't.

Let me go through another exercise. In the military we did quarterly IT audits. A handful of FNG's would walk around building to building and physically inspect every single thing with a service tag or SN on it, as well as a bunch of stuff that didn't have it but got labels placed on it. It was cross-referenced to a spreadsheet and if anything was missing or 'appeared', someone's job was to track down the 5w's on it.

We'd do this for a few thousand devices, every quarter. It worked really well.

Now it would be really easy to question this method and the results, despite the fact it already goes above and beyond what most orgs would bother with. How do you know the FNGs were doing their job? How do you know they didn't transpose letters and fuck up inventory? How do you know there wasn't ghost equipment stored above the ceiling when they showed up? etc etc etc. You can't track down all of that but that still doesn't mean you aren't going above and beyond to do the job required, to support the mission you've been tasked to do.

I don't fucking know, nor care, why some dates associated with age columns in a half-century old DB are showing values that don't make sense (cuz it's not my forte), and I sure as shit don't want a billionaire to decide how that should be changed, in the same way I wouldn't want elon fucking musk deciding how the military unit I was a part of did internal physical asset inventorying, cuz that's not his forte either.
 

hal2kilo

Lifer
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Because there's never been an indication that something isn't working as expected until a billionaire said it wasn't.

Let me go through another exercise. In the military we did quarterly IT audits. A handful of FNG's would walk around building to building and physically inspect every single thing with a service tag or SN on it, as well as a bunch of stuff that didn't have it but got labels placed on it. It was cross-referenced to a spreadsheet and if anything was missing or 'appeared', someone's job was to track down the 5w's on it.

We'd do this for a few thousand devices, every quarter. It worked really well.

Now it would be really easy to question this method and the results, despite the fact it already goes above and beyond what most orgs would bother with. How do you know the FNGs were doing their job? How do you know they didn't transpose letters and fuck up inventory? How do you know there wasn't ghost equipment stored above the ceiling when they showed up? etc etc etc. You can't track down all of that but that still doesn't mean you aren't going above and beyond to do the job required, to support the mission you've been tasked to do.

I don't fucking know, nor care, why some dates associated with age columns in a half-century old DB are showing values that don't make sense (cuz it's not my forte), and I sure as shit don't want a billionaire to decide how that should be changed, in the same way I wouldn't want elon fucking musk deciding how the military unit I was a part of did internal physical asset inventorying, cuz that's not his forte either.
I always love it when you guys came around to my contractor's office and tried to start putting stickers on them. Those are not you government property!
In your defense, sometimes it was for other contractors, but our company found it a whole lot easier to just buy our own stuff, than to put up with all of the rules and accounting with using GFE office equipment.
 

Jaskalas

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So the issue shouldn't be looked at for reason X? Verifying the code issue should be easy enough, create a fake entry and see what happens.
I would also assume that generating a list of payments to those particular people would be a simple process as well.
Why pretend that the entire system has to be shut down to verify the integrity of it?
Why pretend indeed. Your exorbitant repeated use of the square one fallacy is the telltale sign of a blind devout follower of a cult. A mind lost to madness.

When Elon fails to follow up and actually prove any of his BS, when he just goes radio silent on the supposed 17 million "people" over the age of 100.
Will you demand he prove his claims?
Will you admit his evil intention, the lying and the deceit?
Will you admit Trump and Elon's felonious propaganda aimed at stirring the masses with mass delusion, irrational fears and hatred?

I expect there will be absolutely zero follow up and zero evidence to support any of Elon's claims.
I expect you will not demand a damn thing from them.
I expect you will still worship at the altar of evil.
 
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fskimospy

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Why pretend indeed. Your exorbitant repeated use of the square one fallacy is the telltale sign of a blind devout follower of a cult. A mind lost to madness.

When Elon fails to follow up and actually prove any of his BS, when he just goes radio silent on the supposed 17 million "people" over the age of 100.
Will you demand he prove his claims?
Will you admit his evil intention, the lying and the deceit?
Will you admit Trump and Elon's felonious propaganda aimed at stirring the masses with mass delusion, irrational fears and hatred?

I expect there will be absolutely zero follow up and zero evidence to support any of Elon's claims.
I expect you will not demand a damn thing from them.
I expect you will still worship at the altar of evil.
What's funny/sad is that he's been repeatedly and humiliatingly shown to have no idea what he's talking about and all these scandals he's uncovering are bullshit. Instead of losing his credibility though he just keeps making up more lies that conservatives demand be disproven.

I'm sure that one day he will eventually uncover a real problem and the real annoyance there will be that all these conservatives will claim vindication as if being full of shit over and over doesn't matter.
 

manly

Lifer
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I posted a brief article on Tuesday, but dudes like Greenman don't care about the facts.
There was an SSA IG report as recently as July 2023. Basically, there is old data for Americans that has not been corrected in the database. According to the report, 98% of these ages 100+ receive no payments.

Leon's team jumped in, found millions of records and decided to make the claim that a lot of these dead people are receiving SS checks. Either they're lying or are dumb fucks; take your pick. (The tenor of this article is "fair and balanced" BS but ignore that. Also separate reporting by The NYT.)


Here is the real data from Prof. Wolfers that was referenced:

 

nakedfrog

No Lifer
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I posted a brief article on Tuesday, but dudes like Greenman don't care about the facts.
There was an SSA IG report as recently as July 2023. Basically, there is old data for Americans that has not been corrected in the database. According to the report, 98% of these ages 100+ receive no payments.

Leon's team jumped in, found millions of records and decided to make the claim that a lot of these dead people are receiving SS checks. Either they're lying or are dumb fucks; take your pick. (The tenor of this article is "fair and balanced" BS but ignore that. Also separate reporting by The NYT.)


Here is the real data from Prof. Wolfers that was referenced:

I think they could also be both liars and dumb fucks
 

manly

Lifer
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In other news, Grimes was seen begging on X for Elon to give some attention to one of their children.


 
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Sportsshooter

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Fuck you are dumb. Unless you visit the code you have no way of knowing what those fields are used for... odds are the alive field is not in use anymore, technical debt per se. Instead of pointing to an sql extract of personal data show that money were actually paid out.
But Elon is on crack cocaine. So you get shit.

Dumb is someone who isn't capable of a conversation without using useless, filler vulgarity. Musk, as an adviser, had a team of computer specialists look at the data. Nothing more. The data found what it found. Since their mission is to peel back the onion , should the discrepancies not be looked into? A far right {Sarc) outlet, NPR reported on similar discrepancies over 10 years ago yet here we still are. Now we should find out how or if the money was paid out. The What personal data? None.


Another far right (sarc) outlet. Should we look deeper and find out if therre is more? Apparently not. Thank you Elon! The most successful man on the planet.

 
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Dumb is someone who isn't capable of a conversation without using useless, filler vulgarity. Musk, as an adviser, had a team of computer specialists look at the data. Nothing more. The data found what it found. Since their mission is to peel back the onion , should the discrepancies not be looked into? A far right {Sarc) outlet, NPR reported on similar discrepancies over 10 years ago yet here we still are. Now we should find out how or if the money was paid out. The What personal data? None.


Another far right (sarc) outlet. Should we look deeper and find out if therre is more? Apparently not. Thank you Elon! The most successful man on the planet.


Who was president on January 16, 2025?
 

brycejones

Lifer
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Dumb is someone who isn't capable of a conversation without using useless, filler vulgarity. Musk, as an adviser, had a team of computer specialists look at the data. Nothing more. The data found what it found. Since their mission is to peel back the onion , should the discrepancies not be looked into? A far right {Sarc) outlet, NPR reported on similar discrepancies over 10 years ago yet here we still are. Now we should find out how or if the money was paid out. The What personal data? None.


Another far right (sarc) outlet. Should we look deeper and find out if therre is more? Apparently not. Thank you Elon! The most successful man on the planet.

I guess you’re just free to pretend multiple inspector generals didn’t look into this and also ignore the controls on payments that already exist.
 
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