Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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K1052

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Trump is demanding half a trillion dollars from Ukraine in exchange for...nothing. Considering the US has only provided them about $130B in total aid this is just an absurd level of extortion

Ukraine should delay as long as possible and eventually reject an agreement. If they do end up signing they should absolutely not make good on their end and stiff him.

The new document states that the revenues will be directed to a fund in which the United States holds 100 percent financial interest, and that Ukraine should contribute to the fund until it reaches $500 billion — the amount Mr. Trump has demanded from the war-torn country in exchange for American aid.

That sum, more than twice Ukraine’s economic output before the war, was not mentioned in the previous version of the deal. It is unclear whether Mr. Trump is requesting that sum in exchange for past American military and financial assistance, or whether it would also apply to future support.

The deal could strip Ukraine of funds that are now mostly invested in the country’s military and defense industry, and that could help rebuild the country once the war is over.

The terms of the new proposal, which is dated Feb. 21 and was reviewed by The New York Times, call for Ukraine to relinquish half of its revenues from natural resources, including minerals, gas and oil, as well as earnings from ports and other infrastructure.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/22/world/europe/ukraine-trump-minerals.html
 
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Trump is demanding half a trillion dollars from Ukraine in exchange for...nothing. Considering the US has only provided them about $130B in total aid this is just an absurd level of extortion

Ukraine should delay as long as possible and eventually reject an agreement. If they do end up signing they should absolutely not make good on their end and stiff him.
Well, if Trump is trying to hit us with a bill for Biden's "free" aid from the U.S., then we also could run some numbers: 187 ballistic missiles, each packing 6 to 10 warheads, were stationed in Ukraine and locked onto two targets New York State and Washington State, with "Ground Zero" being the Pentagon.

Might be worth taking a look at the full price tag on those assets. Ukraine handed over weapons-grade uranium and plutonium, worth $770 billion in pure weight at the exchange rate of 2000.

In warheads, that adds up to nearly $1.1 trillion. Tactical plutonium charges ranging from 5 to 150 kilotons? No one even bothered to count those.

And the nuclear delivery systems—R-36M (Product 100), Tu-22, Tu-160—each worth anywhere from $800 million to a cool billion all got handed over to the Kremlin, no questions asked.

So if we knock off even that ridiculous number of half a trillion dollars in U.S. military aid from that sum, turns out America still owes us a lot of money.
 
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kage69

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I'm hearing Rubio is starting to be sidelined now too. Another voice not beholden to Putin removed from the inner discussions.

Traitor Trump is hellbent on checking off the boxes of Putin's wishlist. Just disgusts me to hear the bastard bring up "stopping the killing" when his numerous threats leverage Ukrainian KIA. I can't imagine how infuriating it must be for Zelenskyy himself.



We need the Governor of Maine to get Trump riled up again. Maybe another tantrum or two and he'll stroke out.
 
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K1052

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Well, if Trump is trying to hit us with a bill for Biden's "free" aid from the U.S., then we also could run some numbers: 187 ballistic missiles, each packing 6 to 10 warheads, were stationed in Ukraine and locked onto two targets New York State and Washington State, with "Ground Zero" being the Pentagon.

Might be worth taking a look at the full price tag on those assets. Ukraine handed over weapons-grade uranium and plutonium, worth $770 billion in pure weight at the exchange rate of 2000.

In warheads, that adds up to nearly $1.1 trillion. Tactical plutonium charges ranging from 5 to 150 kilotons? No one even bothered to count those.

And the nuclear delivery systems—R-36M (Product 100), Tu-22, Tu-160—each worth anywhere from $800 million to a cool billion all got handed over to the Kremlin, no questions asked.

So if we knock off even that ridiculous number of half a trillion dollars in U.S. military aid from that sum, turns out America still owes us a lot of money.

The funny thing is that if the US did give Ukraine $500B in aid you guys would putting your feet up at Putin's palace in Sochi by now.
 

hal2kilo

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I'm hearing Rubio is starting to be sidelined now too. Another voice not beholden to Putin removed from the inner discussions.

Traitor Trump is hellbent on checking off the boxes of Putin's wishlist. Just disgusts me to hear the bastard bring up "stopping the killing" when his numerous threats leverage Ukrainian KIA. I can't imagine how infuriating it must be for Zelenskyy himself.



We need the Governor of Maine to get Trump riled up again. Maybe another tantrum or two and he'll stroke out.
Rinse, repeat..bye Rex Tillerson, I mean Rubio.
 

pcgeek11

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You, among others, enabled the world we have today. The Trump you couldn't vote for in 2024 was created by you in 2016 and 2020.

Crocodile tears. Take some responsibility.

Well the crappy Democrat candidates (Biden and Harris) did their (large) part also. Biden was loosing it and Harris couldn't string together a complete sentence. Many people were left feeling they had no choice. I know you will deny it but those are the facts.
 
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Well the crappy Democrat candidates (Biden and Harris) did their (large) part also. Biden was loosing it and Harris couldn't string together a complete sentence. Many people were left feeling they had no choice. I know you will deny it but those are the facts.
Right...

Why don't you have a seat at the little kids table, because clearly, you've just been steeping in propaganda.
 

pcgeek11

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Right...

Why don't you have a seat at the little kids table, because clearly, you've just been steeping in propaganda.


No. I have eyes and saw Biden loosing his marbles on television whenever they didn't have him locked away in a basement and Harris is an moron with her Dreams and Aspirations interjected into every sentence. Anyone with eyes and a half a brain knew that Jill and Bidens staff were governing the country.
 

K1052

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No. I have eyes and saw Biden loosing his marbles on television whenever they didn't have him locked away in a basement and Harris is an moron with her Dreams and Aspirations interjected into every sentence. Anyone with eyes and a half a brain knew that Jill and Bidens staff were governing the country.

Just from a Ukraine policy standpoint are you satisfied with what’s unfolding from Trump or not?
 
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Reportedly the US threatened to turn Starlink off if Ukraine does not sign the minerals agreement. Besides this being naked extortion it does not seem like a good way to convince foreign governments they can rely on what they might buy.
Better? Shut the whole Starlink off worldwide unless they plan to spy people freely and working with Putin, something that even CHINA won't want.
 

IronWing

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Well the crappy Democrat candidates (Biden and Harris) did their (large) part also. Biden was loosing it and Harris couldn't string together a complete sentence. Many people were left feeling they had no choice. I know you will deny it but those are the facts.
Nope, the Dem candidate could have been a can of peach pits and the right thing to do would still have been to vote for the can instead of Trump. Republicans are absolutely 100% responsible for putting the treasonous shitbag back in power.
 

pcgeek11

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Nope, the Dem candidate could have been a can of peach pits and the right thing to do would still have been to vote for the can instead of Trump. Republicans are absolutely 100% responsible for putting the treasonous shitbag back in power.


You and I are both entitled to our opinions....
 

GodisanAtheist

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No. I have eyes and saw Biden loosing his marbles on television whenever they didn't have him locked away in a basement and Harris is an moron with her Dreams and Aspirations interjected into every sentence. Anyone with eyes and a half a brain knew that Jill and Bidens staff were governing the country.

-Ironically Biden with his mush for brains managed to right the economy post Covid, get inflation more or less under control, keep unemployment low, and even had the stock market skyrocketing by the time he left office.

Followed through on getting us out of Afghanistan and solidly backed Ukraine vs Russia.

Probably the darkest spot on his presidency was the inability to reign in Israel's destruction of Gaza.

Who cares if his brains are mush or if Jill Biden was running the country. Whoever was running the country was doing alright. Not great, but alright.

Harris would have been more of the same. Not inspirational, not great, another middling President but then most Presidents are.

And then people voted Donald Trump in.

Yeah I dunno man...
 
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-Ironically Biden with his mush for brains managed to right the economy post Covid, get inflation more or less under control, keep unemployment low, and even had the stock market skyrocketing by the time he left office.

Followed through on getting us out of Afghanistan and solidly backed Ukraine vs Russia.

Probably the darkest spot on his presidency was the inability to reign in Israel's destruction of Gaza.

Who cares if his brains are mush or if Jill Biden was running the country. Whoever was running the country was doing alright. Not great, but alright.

Harris would have been more of the same. Not inspirational, not great, another middling President but then most Presidents are.

And then people voted Donald Trump in.

Yeah I dunno man...
Also, the idea that the president alone does stuff is kind of preposterous. The president is just the head of a team of people that execute on the vision. It's very clear that the team Trump brought along would be right at home in Mother Russia or the supervillain hideaway of a James Bond or Batman movie.
 
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