Surprising slide imo.
I think Diamond Rapids is a new socket again, so Granite Rapids is in a kinda awkward position. Sierra Forest at least has one successor for it's Socket.Figure people who are buying Intel Servers are buying Emerald.
I think Diamond Rapids is a new socket again
GNR appears to have a pretty slow ramp/volume issues.Interestingly enough, at Dell and Lenovo it doesn't appear you can buy a Granite Rapids server. There is one Sierra Forrest server but dunno if people are buying that. Meanwhile I think I saw multiple Zen 5.
Figure people who are buying Intel Servers are buying Emerald.
Not only is it rumors, I think Gelsinger even confirmed it in an earnings call or some tech conference (some off hand remark about DMR using a new platform) a while back. I couldn't dig it up from a short search so I may be misremembering though.Seriously? I thought it would continue in the same socket as Sierra Forest and Grand Rapids.
That's bad...
Some interesting stuff IMO:If you slow down(they provide the timestamps) Zen 5 related part, you are able to read all the slides. Since I was unable to listen in at the time, I haven't listened to their comments.
Funny thing AMD downgraded Zen4 FPU to be 3 wide for the purposes of this comparison, since this is mentioned twice on different slides, I doubt it's just a type. So either someone did not read the Zen4 software optimization manual, or that manual was not telling the full story.
They needed something scalable for CCXes having 16 (and probably 32) cores. So this makes sense but having such CCX benchmarked would be great.Zen 4 ring > Zen 5 mesh.
We do not know if this is an OC result or not. Since it would be 300MHz over stock 9800x3d I won't risk guessing as both options (higher stock clk on better binned parts or OC) could be true.V-cache die doesn't seem to be clocked much lower this time?
We do not know if this is an OC result or not. Since it would be 300MHz over stock 9800x3d I won't risk guessing as both options (higher stock clk on better binned parts or OC) could be true.
Is that a gut feeling or you just know based on the reasons you might not discuss? [I am getting lost who here has access to pre-release HW, and so on]It’s not. That is stock performance.
Well at ISSCC AMD has retroactively removed an execution pipe from all Zen4 chips, so who knows, be wary of BIOS updates lol. (Now, I believe it was just a typo, before somebody on wccftech will make a rumor out of it...)At ISSCC AMD said it has 200 MHz higher boost clock on X3D CCD. That's all folks.
Nope, at peak. The hopium should have been cut off a while ago.Still that particular slide might have referred to just to an existing SKU (9800x3d) as I believe it saw the 200MHz gain over Zen 4. Anyway, we will know in 3 weeks.
Is that a gut feeling or you just know based on the reasons you might not discuss? [I am getting lost who here has access to pre-release HW, and so on]
At ISSCC AMD said it has 200 MHz higher boost clock on X3D CCD. That's all folks.
The ISSCC presentation was certainly only about products which already had been launchedStill that particular slide might have referred to just to an existing SKU (9800x3d)
The HWinfo screenshot there shows 5.54 GHz peak of cores of the 3D V-Cache CCD and 5.71 GHz peak of cores of the vanilla CCD.https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryz...launch-similar-cinebench-performance-to-9950x
V-cache die doesn't seem to be clocked much lower this time?
It was submitted in August. So I don't think so.The ISSCC presentation was certainly only about products which already had been launched in advance of the ISSCC paper submission date.
Right, I corrected my post. (Before seeing your response.)It was submitted in August.
I for one couldn't care less about (1.) peak boost clocks, (2.) inhomogeneous CPUs.Stop the hopium, it's over.
5450, 5540, same thing. Close enough to the 5.7 of the other CCD.5450MHz
5450 is the best bin likely to exist. It may ship lower. And if they do make a 9950X3D2 it is unlikely it'll have two of the top bins. You will always get heterogeneous (to varying degrees).5450, 5540, same thing
Tiny bit of freq delta is not heterogeneous, otherwise everything from the first multicore CPU shipped is that.You will always get heterogeneous (to varying degrees).
You're right. But these are people who want dual stacked cache CCDs to eliminate heterogeneity. It may be good enough for some niche purposes but there is no reason to add latency for consumer workloads which is what Ryzen targets.Tiny bit of freq delta is not heterogeneous, otherwise everything from the first multicore CPU shipped is that.
I probably was misunderstood, I meant it would be a success if 5450MHz was possible to reach by x3d chiplet at stock conditions without overclock as that is 200MHz more than what 9800x3d can do at stock and enough for the x3d chiplet to tie the other chiplet in Spec.There is no chance that 9950X3D CCD boosts over 5450MH
Thanks. I'm not dyslexic but I don't want to lose brain cells by giving those hacks my clicks.The screen shot for the dyslexic :
AMD Ryzen 9 9950X3D CPU Leaked Benchmarks Reveal Ryzen 9950X Equivalent Performance In Synthetic Tests
AMD Ryzen 9 9950X3D was recently tested in multiple synthetic tests, revealing performance equivalent to its non-X3D variant.wccftech.com
Conversely, I'm convinced Zen5 was as good as AMD hoped... when they started its design. The problem for them, which has tainted OUR perception was that Intel actually did have a last hurrah, with the recent Lakes, and both companies realised they would have to push their chips HARD to compete. Zen4, IMO, was pushed way harder than AMD originally intended, to compete with 13/14 series. So much so that it crossed the performance line into plannrd Zen5 territory, a generation earlier. Kinda proof can be seen in how AMD have managed Epyc. Zen5 in that environment is a good 30-50% faster, cos it clocks easier across the board. I dunt think AMD originally wanted their first AM5 chips to instantly draw the full wattage the new socket could provide. But then they wouldn't have been competitive with Intels furnace inducing, self destructing chips. Ho hum.I really do believe whatever magic sauce AMD had with the Zen 3 jump was not present with the Zen 5 jump.