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Joe NYC

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But I think MoP will be avoided to keep partners happy, MALL is a thing for good reason, as is CAMM.

There is a third dimension in play.

Large MALL on stacked die would be another option. which could be sufficient until LPDDR6.

But if AMD switched to MoP, and defined a form factor of the mobile package, which would be a black box as far as what memory it uses internally, it could offer potentially even more flexibility to OEMs - to just swap the whole CPU package, without having to do any engineering. / testing / memory procurement.
 

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Large MALL on stacked die would be another option. which could be sufficient until LPDDR6.

But if AMD switched to MoP, and defined a form factor of the mobile package, which would be a black box as far as what memory it uses internally, it could offer potentially even more flexibility to OEMs - to just swap the whole CPU package, without having to do any engineering. / testing / memory procurement.
The easiest option right now would be Medusa Halo keeping the same socket and board support.
Direct upgrade with maybe a bump to -9600 or something.
OEMs like having to do the bare minimum.
 

Joe NYC

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The easiest option right now would be Medusa Halo keeping the same socket and board support.
Direct upgrade with maybe a bump to -9600 or something.
OEMs like having to do the bare minimum.

Even a bump to 9600 would need retesting of the board, while no retesting would be needed with MoP.

And not just speed. AMD could offer 128, 256, 384, 512 bit internally, any speed internally, can change from LPDDR5 to LPDDR6 internally.

It is inconceivable that OEM would prefer to do all this work themselves. The answer would have to be something else:

OEMs like to rape the customers on memory upgrades. As example as that. Look at Mac Mini base model and models with higher memory capacities.
 

branch_suggestion

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Even a bump to 9600 would need retesting of the board, while no retesting would be needed with MoP.
For new designs it would be worthwhile, refreshes sticking to 8000 should be good enough.
And not just speed. AMD could offer 128, 256, 384, 512 bit internally, any speed internally, can change from LPDDR5 to LPDDR6 internally.
Somebody has to pay for it, and it isn't AMD.
It is inconceivable that OEM would prefer to do all this work themselves. The answer would have to be something else:
They have their own supply chains that they really like using.
OEMs like to rape the customers on memory upgrades. As example as that. Look at Mac Mini base model and models with higher memory capacities.
That is Apple, they can get away with things nobody else can.
They are specifically not an OEM.
 

poke01

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MoP has nearly zero effect on battery life or RAM speed, you primarily do it to save board space.

Qualcomm and AMD uses off package memory because that is what OEMs want, they want to choose their own capacity and suppliers. Intel made a mistake using MoP for Lunar Lake.
 

SamMaster

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So the MAX 385 with 32 GB of ram starts at 1579$ barebones (BYO SSD, OS, Fan, no front ports, no pretty colors)

Edit: Price in CAD
 

LightningZ71

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They could have harmed the Mac Mini market with Strix Point outfitted with just a single 8 core P cores CCX and a 16MB mall cache... Even lower cost for 128GB.
 
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