Discussion Nvidia Blackwell in Q1-2025

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linkgoron

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I'm almost kind of wondering if nVidia has given up on Blackwell.
We're barely a month from the 5090 launch. They're probably waiting for RDNA4, and they could easily revamp everything with better pricing or a super generation down the road if there's need. 5080 will still go unmatched, as will the 5090. What do they have to worry about?
 
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Golgatha

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I happened to have some time this morning and was curious about PhysX performance with cards other than the 3050. Since I have a recently acquired 5070 Ti, I put a few configurations together and ran some Batman Arkham City benchmarks. I have a GT 1030, RTX 4060, 5070 Ti, and 4090 in the mix. The rig is the 9800X3D system in my signature.

PhysX set to high, VSync disabled, and 1440p resolution, but otherwise left everything at stock. Unfortunately I couldn't install a dedicated PhysX card with the 4090 due to its size. I ran each configuration twice to ensure results were within margin of error territory. My theory was that a 1030 GT would be sufficient to offload the PhysX, but clearly that wasn't the case. Also, I was very surprised to see the 5070 Ti + 4060 configuration beat my 4090 overall!

4090, no dedicated PhysX
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5070 Ti, no dedicated PhysX
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5070 Ti, GT 1030 dedicated PhysX
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5070 Ti, RTX 4060 dedicated PhysX
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5070 Ti with 3050 6GB
Min 111, Max 387, Average 237

4090 with 3050 6GB
Min 122, Max 371, Average 228

I also ran GPU-Z this time, and found in both runs that the 3050 6GB averaged around 35% and never broke 40% utilization. It seems to me the 3050 6GB is a pretty definitive choice to pair with a 5000 series card if you want backwards compatibility with PhysX enabled games. However, if you're running a 4000 series and below, there's no benefit to having a dedicated PhysX video card installed.
 
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Timorous

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Does anyone else remember the glory days of dual GPU flagship cards?



We need some brave company to bring it back... Sell us a 5090 and a 3050 on a single board, then we have a true flagship that can actually play Batman with PhysX enabled

Given GB202 is basically 2x GB203 I would say the 5090 is functionally equivalent.
 
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jpiniero

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We're barely a month from the 5090 launch. They're probably waiting for RDNA4, and they could easily revamp everything with better pricing or a super generation down the road if there's need. 5080 will still go unmatched, as will the 5090. What do they have to worry about?

This time it feels different.
 

Mopetar

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This time it feels different.

NVidia's main priority right now is datacenter. AMD has no high end consumer GPUs so gamers get to simmer on the back burner.

I don't even think Nvidia will try to price war against AMD even if it means losing market share. If I'm selling $$$$$ GPUs to data center clients I'd want my competitors using as many of their wafers as they can selling $$$ GPUs to consumers because that's less competition in my biggest and most important market.
 

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RTX 5070 is going to get horrible reviews for sure. They need to introduce variants with higher density memory chips at <$500 price point. 12 GB version should receive at least $100 price cut immediately.
 

jpiniero

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RTX 5070 is going to get horrible reviews for sure. They need to introduce variants with higher density memory chips at <$500 price point. 12 GB version should receive at least $100 price cut immediately.

They are not going to do anything, that's for sure.
 
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Heartbreaker

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RTX 5070 is going to get horrible reviews for sure. They need to introduce variants with higher density memory chips at <$500 price point. 12 GB version should receive at least $100 price cut immediately.


All they have to do is deliver MSRP cards, and people will buy them over the 9070 which AMD brilliantly priced equal to the 5070.
 
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blckgrffn

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It should not be hard for Nvidia to do that. But rumors say even 5070 supply is miniscule (for a few months).
The MSRP problem isn't one they can really control if they don't ship enough cards. The market will decide the value of them, and it will get inflated and scalpers will pick shelves - online and IRL - clean.

The rational play is for the "MSRP" to stay but then charge in store/online ~$700-$800 to backfill the MIA 5070 Ti.

Just like back in what, 2021? Yay.
 
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LOL... My MSRP 5070 Ti from Feb 20th still hasn't shipped. At this point by the time I get it we'll be at the 6th, maybe I can sell it for $220 over MSRP and my 3080 and just upgrade to a 9070 XT.
Let's see. By selling both 5070 Ti and 3080, you lose:

DLSS4
DLSS3
RTX effects
32-bit PhysX in older games (assuming they create 64-bit PhysX for newer games)
Any new special Nvidia-only settings in future games

and only thing you would gain would be that feeling of emptiness that something is missing. Maybe RTX?

I don't think you can follow through unless you are a masochistic monk gamer
 

aigomorla

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Does anyone else remember the glory days of dual GPU flagship cards?

We need some brave company to bring it back... Sell us a 5090 and a 3050 on a single board, then we have a true flagship that can actually play Batman with PhysX enabled

oh you mean cards like this?



Lets bring back Xfire / SLI also...
That was my last system i had with 4 x GPU's... two X2's
ATi at that time, used a PLX bridge to bridge the 2 GPU's on a single PCB.

Nvidia went the funny approach and did this with a internal SLI bridge:


That was the GX2 if i recall... and u can see the tiny SLI bridge between the 2 pcb's on the right side of the card.

Wanna hear something even more funny... all 3 of the GPU's i posted combined still did not cost as much as a single 5090.


Ahhh i really miss that case too. It was every so "You are PC eLeeT Lian Li V2200" all Alu, very expensive case, which went head to toe with Silverstones TJ-07. Before cases became all cheap and gamer like it is today.

Imagine if they came out with SLI again for gamers..
They would have a excuse for gamers PCMR elitist to pay for what you could get a used CAR for.
 
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