Discussion Trump and Zelensky in face to face argument

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K1052

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Halt aid to Ukraine. Lift sanctions on Russia.
Collect diddy's remaining baby oil supply and jack off Putin.

There was already about zero chance this admin/congress was going to pass more aid for Ukraine.

edit: they are thinking about stopping arms shipments. This would be extremely provocative and threaten basically all US defense industry contracts in Europe.


 

manly

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Economically from the rest of the world minus the authoritarian nations.

Th Magats are going to fuck around and find out with Europe Canada and the rest of its former allies.

Trump is literally the one trying to destabilize the world which will result in WWIII and or a Great Depression.
Yeah although no immediate political consequences for being Putin's lapdog, replacing EU+MX+CA trading demand with Russian rubles isn't going to work out lol.

Long term Europe has to know going forward, the U.S. isn't its security guarantor.
 

MrSquished

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Where the fuck are Biden and Obama - I doubt either will have the balls or integrity to say a damn thing, they haven't yet. Maybe that old fucking egotistical doddering fool Biden wants to have Trump for tea again.
 

Indus

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Where the fuck are Biden and Obama - I doubt either will have the balls or integrity to say a damn thing, they haven't yet. Maybe that old fucking egotistical doddering fool Biden wants to have Trump for tea again.

Actually it's better they stay quiet.

Because this needs a solution from current adults, not dinosaurs.
 
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repoman0

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Just when you think our government can’t go any lower.

Real Americans stand with Europe and Ukraine. I for one am proud to build weapons that turn Russians into pink mist and their equipment into scrap. Really hope we can keep getting them over there or the work is pointless.
 
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Lifer
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^ be careful with violent rhetoric, it's actually illegal

(a) Which violent rhetoric are you referring to?

(b) I thought the "free speech absolutist" was now in charge, so why would rhetoric of any sort be illegal? In fact, didn't we just have Vance give a speech complaining about such limits on 'free speech'?
 

cytg111

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I dont get it.

It sounded like a deal was reached, paper ready to be signed ... and then what? Vance cocked it up? Why did Zelensky take the bait? My between the lines take on it is that the deal was so bad that Zelensky was ready to blow it up.
 

Jaskalas

Lifer
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I dont get it.

It sounded like a deal was reached, paper ready to be signed ... and then what? Vance cocked it up? Why did Zelensky take the bait? My between the lines take on it is that the deal was so bad that Zelensky was ready to blow it up.
The deal was fake from the beginning.
Trump offered NOTHING in exchange for half of Ukraine's entire country.
 

BonzaiDuck

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A recent revelation called "The Krasnov story" has been circulating, and I await additional triangulating media confirmation.

But everything Trump did today -- consistent with everything he's done since 2017 -- supports the Krasnov story.

I've never been more ashamed of my country, and I'm proud that I'm ashamed. I'm just frustrated that I can't get into the oval office wearing a suicide vest . . . I can barely get out of my neighborhood. And I don't have the parts to make one.
 

K1052

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The whole thing seems like a setup to justify the Trump administration pulling equipment support.

There is a lot of sentiment to this effect. Also it's almost March now so odds are that Ukraine has already received a good percentage of the stuff on drawdown maybe except vehicles which probably were going by sea. The airfield in Poland that most of this stuff goes through has been very busy lately.
 

Jaskalas

Lifer
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I think that's it's a peculiarly US thing that you can't correct or question a politician!

I've seen politicians have a much worse time getting questioned than Trump was treated there. Normalising not calling out obvious lies is not normal.
Think you could question Hitler in Nazi Germany?
Or Putin in Russia?

The point of fascism is tyranny. And killing anyone who isn't your slave.
We can look forward to the US going to war to make slaves out of smaller nations.
 

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Indus

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There is a lot of sentiment to this effect. Also it's almost March now so odds are that Ukraine has already received a good percentage of the stuff on drawdown maybe except vehicles which probably were going by sea. The airfield in Poland that most of this stuff goes through has been very busy lately.

You would have thought Biden would have sent stuff overtime after the election looked lost.
 

BonzaiDuck

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There is a lot of sentiment to this effect. Also it's almost March now so odds are that Ukraine has already received a good percentage of the stuff on drawdown maybe except vehicles which probably were going by sea. The airfield in Poland that most of this stuff goes through has been very busy lately.
It's not just the expense. Trump and Company are systematically trying to destroy America, destroy NATO, spit in the faces of our allies. Simple to say he's a criminal. Not more difficult to understand that he's a sociopath. You've got to be goddam stupid, however, failing to recognize that he's an instrument of Russia, traitor to America, Traitor to the human race.

Drugs and booze won't make me feel better.
 
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