If Biden was going to do something, it was Jan 20th when he had Trump in the White House. There was no escape from that trap if Biden wanted it.Where the fuck are Biden and Obama - I doubt either will have the balls or integrity to say a damn thing, they haven't yet. Maybe that old fucking egotistical doddering fool Biden wants to have Trump for tea again.
Look at the video. That was obviously an attempt at a political mugging. Zelensky was surrounded by people hand picked by Trumps handlers. Bunch of fucking cowards and spineless wankers.I dont get it.
It sounded like a deal was reached, paper ready to be signed ... and then what? Vance cocked it up? Why did Zelensky take the bait? My between the lines take on it is that the deal was so bad that Zelensky was ready to blow it up.
He didn't. Vance wanted Zelensky to prostrate himself in front of Trump and he refused.I dont get it.
It sounded like a deal was reached, paper ready to be signed ... and then what? Vance cocked it up? Why did Zelensky take the bait? My between the lines take on it is that the deal was so bad that Zelensky was ready to blow it up.
I was just about to say that its probably not a god idea to comment on internal politics if you dont know the background of the guy talking!This guy?
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You would have thought Biden would have sent stuff overtime after the election looked lost.
I keep writing to my Senators: "Make it stop! Make it stop!" I'd rather hope our military would execute a coup, but then -- Trump is already replacing the top leadership.If Biden was going to do something, it was Jan 20th when he had Trump in the White House. There was no escape from that trap if Biden wanted it.
There are no Democrats with the military history and killer instinct for what is needed next.
Do not look to politicians for a future determined by war. They are in no way equipped or relevant.
The whole thing seems like a setup to justify the Trump administration pulling equipment support.
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So you want to kill people now?
Russia, China, United States.This is fucked though. It goes way further than Ukrainian sovereignty. This is repositioning where America stands in geopolitics. Its impossible to overstate how much this is going to change the world order.
And before any MAGA guys get sweaty and excited this is really, really bad for the US
Thank you for posting this transcript. What a fucking embarrassment Trump and that even worse APOFS vAnce is. This is disgusting guys. America voted this POS and his personal CoCk Sucker into office.Interesting exchange. I wonder if earlier this week European leaders told him not to beg to Trump and they had his back.
ZELENSKYY: Putin broke the ceasefire. What kind of diplomacy, JD, are you even talking about?
VANCE: I think it's disrespectful to come into the Oval Office and try to litigate this in front of the American media.
ZELENSKYY: Disrespectful? My country is under attack, millions displaced, thousands killed—and you’re worried about optics?
TRUMP: Look, we have to be smart. We can’t just keep giving you blank checks.
ZELENSKYY: Blank checks? Every dollar goes to defending our people from an invasion. Meanwhile, you have no problem giving tax cuts to billionaires.
TRUMP: We need accountability. Americans want to know where their money is going.
ZELENSKYY: It’s going to keeping democracy alive. You talk about ‘America First,’ but if Ukraine falls, Russia doesn’t stop here.
VANCE: We just think Ukraine needs to be realistic.
ZELENSKYY: Realistic? Russia is committing war crimes. They’re kidnapping our children, bombing hospitals, executing civilians. Should we be ‘realistic’ and just accept that?
TRUMP: Look, if I was president before, this never would’ve happened.
ZELENSKYY: Because you would’ve handed Ukraine over. That’s not strength—it’s appeasement.
TRUMP: Putin respects me. We would’ve had peace in 24 hours.
ZELENSKYY: Peace or surrender? Because your idea of peace is giving Putin exactly what he wants.
TRUMP: You don’t have the cards right now. You have to be thankful.
ZELENSKYY: Thankful? For what? For being forced to beg for support while Russia slaughters my people?
TRUMP: We’re just saying, you need to be flexible.
ZELENSKYY: No, I need weapons, air defenses, security guarantees—not another fake deal where Ukraine loses everything.
VANCE: Well, this isn’t Ukraine’s war alone. It’s costing Americans billions.
ZELENSKYY: And what happens when Russia wins and moves west? Do you think stopping them gets cheaper later?
TRUMP: I don’t like endless wars.
ZELENSKYY: Endless? This war only drags on because Russia refuses to stop. Not because Ukraine won’t fight.
TRUMP: Well, we have to look at America’s interests.
ZELENSKYY: America’s interests? You let Putin win, you destroy NATO, you embolden China, you weaken America’s alliances. That’s not putting America first. That’s handing it over
This guy is an agent for Russia. Check out his actions in Trump's first term.
Why should I be ashamed? I'm not his daddy, nor am I responsible for his actions, and I never expected I'd agree with everything he does. Grow up.Maybe you should watch the video and see what you voted for. You should be ashamed
Its weird that he would swap the EU with its 15% of global GDP for Russia with its 3.8%! Also China absolutely won't be lining up there, China is going to stay neutral of trade.Russia, China, United States.
Evil incarnate that will consume all smaller nations. Some through war. Others through economics. By any means possible.
I'm just checking in to make sure you don't think they actually mean free speech for everyone, because they very much do not. What they mean is "make slurs great again".(a) Which violent rhetoric are you referring to?
(b) I thought the "free speech absolutist" was now in charge, so why would rhetoric of any sort be illegal? In fact, didn't we just have Vance give a speech complaining about such limits on 'free speech'?
I know early on when it was found out that Russia hacked the DNC and was behind the email releases that I thought trump was simply a useful idiot. I'm not so sure any more.
After recent events I believe trump is a willing participant and has been compromised, possibly, as early as the mid 80's when Russian mobsters bought condos from trump.
That being said, what's everyone's opinion on what is trumps relationship to Russia?
Your timeline is too short. The Russians are all about the long play. They've been grooming trump since the eighties. It's certainly possible that trump has been a useful idiot the entire time but trump didn't suddenly just become a useful idiot.
Dude! I feel like I'm pretty measured here but that post of yours is absolute cowardice. You voted for the guy knowing exactly who he was. Trying to frame this as "just something that he did that you don't agree with" is fucking breathtaking.Why should I be ashamed? I'm not his daddy, nor am I responsible for his actions, and I never expected I'd agree with everything he does. Grow up.
Run it through the Green filter: "I don't see how this hurts me in any way, so why should I care?"Dude! I feel like I'm pretty measured here but that post of yours is absolute cowardice. You voted for the guy knowing exactly who he was. Trying to frame this as "just something that he did that you don't agree with" is fucking breathtaking.
If I'd voted for him I'd have the guts to either say that I was ashamed at how things turned out or the guts to say why I agreed with it.
I think Trump is all in on Russia.
and corrupt as fuck to the core/DNA?I mean have you had a President this feeble and incompetent before?
Of course you’re responsible for his actions; you empowered him to take these actions. You knew what he was and voted for him.Why should I be ashamed? I'm not his daddy, nor am I responsible for his actions, and I never expected I'd agree with everything he does. Grow up.