Trump blames Ukraine for starting the war with Russia

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ivwshane

Lifer
May 15, 2000
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You’ve been around a long time it seems. I apologize that I can’t help you.

Nope you can’t help me, just like you can’t counter anything when people correct your misinformation. Keep trolling, your dictator would be proud…if he actually cared about his people, which he doesn’t.
 
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Paratus

Lifer
Jun 4, 2004
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Do you think men should play in women's sports?
You probably think there are only two sexes.


I think for the couple of dozen trans athletes in college sports we can let governing sports body’s handle it.

I know that’s hard to hear for you guys who are obsessed with trans peoples genitalia but the government really doesn’t need to get directly involved with it.
 

HomerJS

Lifer
Feb 6, 2002
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I never said Ukraine started the war. The United States started the war. Europe followed along. I'll let you do your own research on why the U.S has been/is involved in Ukraine. And if Ukraine would have stayed neutral there would be no war.
You outright lied about the Minsk agreement. You voted Ukraine is responsible for the war

You can’t even keep your lies straight and now you want people to “do their own research”

Our research proved you fucking lied! I suggest you cash that check from St Petersburg quickly. You are bad at your job and will be fired soon.
 

APU_Fusion

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Felix is a magat loser. Put him on ignore. He is a liar and troll. He has nothing else in his life.

Anyone who says do your own research means they research on right wing social media. Love all the brilliant magat’s who “know” 2+2 =45 because their dear leader told them.
 

IronWing

No Lifer
Jul 20, 2001
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That reminds of John Kerry's famous line...

I voted for the resolution before voting against it.
Kerry voted for a version of a military spending bill that was stripped of Bush's tax cuts for the ultra-wealthy and then against a version that included the tax cuts. Bush's tax cuts for the ultra-wealthy in the midst of Bush's foreign adventure blew up the deficit beyond Reagan's wildest fantasies.
 

FelixDeCat

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I had no idea that Ukraine has been part of Russia or its control for 337 years:


After that, promises were made by both the West and East that were eventually broken after Ukraine finally was recognized as a nation after they voted for independence in 1991.
 
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Jaskalas

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I had no idea that Ukraine has been part of Russia or its control for 337 years:

After that, promises were made by both the West and East that were eventually broken after Ukraine finally was recognized as a nation after they voted for independence in 1991.
Now try to comprehend what the Soviet Union was.
It had legitimate member states. Soviet Republics.

At the collapse of the Union, the states opted for a better life under Democratic freedom.
Belarus is the only one to have rejected that.

It is our duty to defend those former member states. To protect the weak from the strong. That is the meaning of honor and of goodness. To realize our goal of human rights and self determination for all peoples. To oppose slavery, tyranny, and death by madness. To oppose the evil that human nature has wrought upon the world.

When a people are invaded, it is our duty and our honor to answer the call and to kill the invader.
To shrink from this creed is to abandon our own humanity and to shrink back towards what we were. Before our people had freedom. We would forsake our own liberty.

For our own sake, all free nations must hold each other up. One for all and all for one.
 
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HomerJS

Lifer
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I had no idea that Ukraine has been part of Russia or its control for 337 years:


After that, promises were made by both the West and East that were eventually broken after Ukraine finally was recognized as a nation after they voted for independence in 1991.
The USSR collapsing was Ukraine's fault?
After that Ukraine voted for independence and freedom. Their fault?

What promise did the West break after the Soviet fall that justifies Russia invading Ukraine?
 

Majcric

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Now try to comprehend what the Soviet Union was.
It had legitimate member states. Soviet Republics.

At the collapse of the Union, the states opted for a better life under Democratic freedom.
Belarus is the only one to have rejected that.

It is our duty to defend those former member states. To protect the weak from the strong. That is the meaning of honor and of goodness. To realize our goal of human rights and self determination for all peoples. To oppose slavery, tyranny, and death by madness. To oppose the evil that human nature has wrought upon the world.

When a people are invaded, it is our duty and our honor to answer the call and to kill the invader.
To shrink from this creed is to abandon our own humanity and to shrink back towards what we were. Before our people had freedom. We would forsake our own liberty.

For our own sake, all free nations must hold each other up. One for all and all for one.
On paper this all sounds good. But I don't the U.S should be policing the world. They have enough issues within their own borders.
 

HomerJS

Lifer
Feb 6, 2002
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On paper this all sounds good. But I don't the U.S should be policing the world. They have enough issues within their own borders.
What other countries are ripe for Putin to pluck, since you and him are on such a roll?
 
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GodisanAtheist

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On paper this all sounds good. But I don't the U.S should be policing the world. They have enough issues within their own borders.

-That's where we diverge big time. The US policing the world has resulted in an 80 year Pax Americana.

Wars are down bigly, human kind is generally better off than it was 80 years ago. No world wars cause the US military would kick all asses. No nuclear exchanges cause the US stockpile would glass the world. Global trade using oceans defended by the US Navy.

It was a golden age. Problem is people don't realize they were in a golden age until they are out of one, and we're leaving one at warp speed, on purpose no less.
 
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