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esquared

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"They appointed RFK Jr to be the anti-vaxxer head of HHS and now kids are dying with measles in Texas!"

Now, I didn't say any of them are dead, they're just dying (as are we all). So it's not a lie, just twisting the truth, the way they like it.
Enough of it is true. I think that three kids die out of every 1,000 cases of measles.
It's not a disease without fatalities

I forgot what percentage are hospitalized.

Edit
I looked and the fatality rate can be 1-3 in a 1,000.
It say one in five cases may require hospitalization.
 
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Enough of it is true. I think that three kids die out of every 1,000 cases of measles.
It's not a disease without fatalities

I forgot what percentage are hospitalized.
There are also going to be all the other fun things that people who catch measles get sick with after thanks to the immune amnesia measles causes.
 

Amused

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Enough of it is true. I think that three kids die out of every 1,000 cases of measles.
It's not a disease without fatalities

I forgot what percentage are hospitalized.

Edit
I looked and the fatality rate can be 1-3 in a 1,000.
It say one in five cases may require hospitalization.

One in five USED to be the death rate, until modern medicine could save them.

A common trope among antivaxxers is to show the mortality rate for measles dropping dramatically in the 40s, 50s and 60s before the vaccine. They use this to claim vaccines didn't stop measles. What they purposely exclude is the MORBITITY rate and hospitalization rates, which remained unchanged and then cratered after the vaccine.

They also exclude the fact that for every individual person that was part of drop in the death rate before the vaccine, they had a MASSIVE medical bill for ICU care that lasted weeks.
 

GodisanAtheist

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Boy am I glad my kids are old enough to have their full schedule (well the boy is going to need boosters in a few years).

Hopefully we can pass this turd of a movement before my kids start having kids.
 

nakedfrog

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Boy am I glad my kids are old enough to have their full schedule (well the boy is going to need boosters in a few years).

Hopefully we can pass this turd of a movement before my kids start having kids.
My grandson is 1 year old now, so he may be in danger if Dr. Brainworm gets his way They live in a red state so already around a higher amount of unvaccinated kids. They've been looking at moving to a more civilized place.
 

GodisanAtheist

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My grandson is 1 year old now, so he may be in danger if Dr. Brainworm gets his way They live in a red state so already around a higher amount of unvaccinated kids. They've been looking at moving to a more civilized place.

- Going to have to get him one of those back alley vaccinations...

Just make sure they visit the right back alley, don't want to accidentally wander down the wrong one...
 
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My grandson is 1 year old now, so he may be in danger if Dr. Brainworm gets his way They live in a red state so already around a higher amount of unvaccinated kids. They've been looking at moving to a more civilized place.

Just tell em.. if those illegal migrants can cross oceans, walk through snake infested south american and central american jungles in order for a better life.. they can pack it up and move too!
 

hal2kilo

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Enough of it is true. I think that three kids die out of every 1,000 cases of measles.
It's not a disease without fatalities

I forgot what percentage are hospitalized.

Edit
I looked and the fatality rate can be 1-3 in a 1,000.
It say one in five cases may require hospitalization.
Seems people are forgetting about the extra special unborn. There are several complications that can occur when a pregnant women gets measles, to her child. Oh like being deaf, mentally handicapped, all kinds of neat stuff.
 
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nakedfrog

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Enough of it is true. I think that three kids die out of every 1,000 cases of measles.
It's not a disease without fatalities

I forgot what percentage are hospitalized.

Edit
I looked and the fatality rate can be 1-3 in a 1,000.
It say one in five cases may require hospitalization.
Well, I guess now it's officially 100% true
 

sactoking

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Got notice that HHS was now banning public comment on their proposed rule changes. That's not shady at all.
 
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esquared

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So here's a WAPO article about how bad the flu season is for kids.
More cases and more hospitalizations than last year. Less vaccinations than last year.
46% vs 51%

Rise of pediatric flu cases is sending more children to the hospital​


While this article focuses on their son who was in a hospital for 15 days. He flat-lined, was revived, has sepsis, organ failure,
hooked up to 11 different IVs, he pulled through. That's a great story.

What I was wondering is if he was vaccinated as flu vaccines don't necessarily prevent flu, they should lessen the
need for hospitalization, much like COVID vaccines.

Well, here was the part I was looking for. Kid wasn't vaccinated and despite nearly losing her son, the mom said she still won't get
flu shots for her family.
WT actual F???

"Despite Elliot’s hospitalization, Bishop said she would not choose to vaccinate herself or her family against the flu in the future.

“No we have NEVER done flu shots and have been fine,” she said in a text to The Washington Post."


Well, dumbass, you now have been fine no more. I guess it will take an actual death to change her mind.

Effing anti-vaxxers!
 

NWRMidnight

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So here's a WAPO article about how bad the flu season is for kids.
More cases and more hospitalizations than last year. Less vaccinations than last year.
46% vs 51%

Rise of pediatric flu cases is sending more children to the hospital​


While this article focuses on their son who was in a hospital for 15 days. He flat-lined, was revived, has sepsis, organ failure,
hooked up to 11 different IVs, he pulled through. That's a great story.

What I was wondering is if he was vaccinated as flu vaccines don't necessarily prevent flu, they should lessen the
need for hospitalization, much like COVID vaccines.

Well, here was the part I was looking for. Kid wasn't vaccinated and despite nearly losing her son, the mom said she still won't get
flu shots for her family.
WT actual F???

"Despite Elliot’s hospitalization, Bishop said she would not choose to vaccinate herself or her family against the flu in the future.

“No we have NEVER done flu shots and have been fine,” she said in a text to The Washington Post."


Well, dumbass, you now have been fine no more. I guess it will take an actual death to change her mind.

Effing anti-vaxxers!
I have a brother who is an antivax idiot. Even after COVID almost took his life, he still won't change his thinking and remains an antivaxer.
 
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GodisanAtheist

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Yeah, we didn't get flu shots this year cause we've been busy and just missed it. Flu came around and while my wife and I never even developed temps and my 12yo had a temp but maintained her energy, my poor 8yo was absolutely flattened. 5 day fever, lethargy, etc. Dude was a wreck.

With Covid my kids basically didn't even display symptoms (not vaccinated for Covid) while my wife and I felt it a bit more but nothing serious (both vaccinated).

These things can be a total crapshoot and my wife and I have made it a point to remember to get us all the Flu shot next year (if Flu shots are still a thing before Kennedy is done with them).
 

WilliamM2

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These things can be a total crapshoot and my wife and I have made it a point to remember to get us all the Flu shot next year (if Flu shots are still a thing before Kennedy is done with them).
I wouldn't be surprised if flu and Covid boosters are not available this fall. Or if they are insurance will no longer be required to cover it as preventative care.
Or maybe even some frivolous lawsuits against the manufactures.
 
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Well, it looks like RFK Jr is actually attempting to do the right thing after all.

ROBERT F. KENNEDY, JR.: Measles outbreak is call to action for all of us​

MMR vaccine is crucial to avoiding potentially deadly disease

As the Secretary of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, I am deeply concerned about the recent measles outbreak. This situation has escalated rapidly, with the Texas Department of State Health Services (DSHS) reporting 146 confirmed cases since late January 2025, primarily in the South Plains region. Tragically, this outbreak has claimed the life of a school-aged child, the first measles-related fatality in the United States in over a decade.

Vaccines not only protect individual children from measles, but also contribute to community immunity, protecting those who are unable to be vaccinated due to medical reasons.

Measles is a highly contagious respiratory illness with certain health risks, especially to unvaccinated individuals. The virus spreads through direct contact with infectious droplets when an infected person breathes, coughs, or sneezes. Early symptoms include high fever, cough, runny nose, and red, watery eyes, followed by a characteristic body rash. Most cases are mild, but rare complications can be severe, including pneumonia, blindness, and encephalitis. Prior to the introduction of the vaccine in the 1960s, virtually every child in the United States contracted measles. For example, in the United States, from 1953 to 1962, on average there were 530,217 confirmed cases and 440 deaths, a case fatality rate of 1 in 1,205 cases.

The current Texas outbreak has predominantly affected children, with 116 of the 146 cases occurring in individuals under 18 years of age. The DSHS reports that 79 of the confirmed cases involved individuals who had not received the measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccine, while 62 cases had unknown vaccine status. At least five had received an MMR vaccine.

In response to this outbreak, I have directed the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the Administration for Strategic Preparedness and Response (ASPR) to work closely with the Texas health authorities to provide comprehensive support. HHS’ efforts include offering technical assistance, laboratory support, vaccines, and therapeutic medications as needed. The CDC is in continuous communication with Texas health officials, ensuring a coordinated and effective response to contain the outbreak. I have spoken with Gov. Greg Abbott and Texas health officials, committing to providing them any additional support they need to bring this outbreak to an end. I have also spoken to the bereaved parents of the deceased child to offer consolation.

As healthcare providers, community leaders, and policymakers, we have a shared responsibility to protect public health. This includes ensuring that accurate information about vaccine safety and efficacy is disseminated. We must engage with communities to understand their concerns, provide culturally competent education, and make vaccines readily accessible for all those who want them.

It is also our responsibility to provide up-to-date guidance on available therapeutic medications. While there is no approved antiviral for those who may be infected, CDC has recently updated their recommendation supporting administration of vitamin A under the supervision of a physician for those with mild, moderate, and severe infection. Studies have found that vitamin A can dramatically reduce measles mortality.

Parents play a pivotal role in safeguarding their children’s health. All parents should consult with their healthcare providers to understand their options to get the MMR vaccine. The decision to vaccinate is a personal one. Vaccines not only protect individual children from measles, but also contribute to community immunity, protecting those who are unable to be vaccinated due to medical reasons.

Tens of thousands died with, or of, measles annually in 19th Century America. By 1960 -- before the vaccine’s introduction -- improvements in sanitation and nutrition had eliminated 98% of measles deaths. Good nutrition remains a best defense against most chronic and infectious illnesses. Vitamins A, C, and D, and foods rich in vitamins B12, C, and E should be part of a balanced diet.

Healthcare professionals on the front lines of this outbreak are working tirelessly to treat affected individuals and prevent further transmission. Their dedication and resilience are commendable, and they deserve unwavering support. It is essential that we provide them with the resources and backing they need to continue their vital work.

The measles outbreak in Texas is a call to action for all of us to reaffirm our commitment to public health. By working together -- parents, healthcare providers, community leaders, and government officials, we can prevent future outbreaks and protect the health of our nation. Under my leadership, HHS is and will always be committed to radical transparency to regain the public’s trust in its health agencies.

For more information about measles, please visit the CDC’s official website or contact your local health department.
 
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[DHT]Osiris

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Well, it looks like RFK Jr is actually attempting to do the right thing after all.

ROBERT F. KENNEDY, JR.: Measles outbreak is call to action for all of us​

MMR vaccine is crucial to avoiding potentially deadly disease​

As the Secretary of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, I am deeply concerned about the recent measles outbreak. This situation has escalated rapidly, with the Texas Department of State Health Services (DSHS) reporting 146 confirmed cases since late January 2025, primarily in the South Plains region. Tragically, this outbreak has claimed the life of a school-aged child, the first measles-related fatality in the United States in over a decade.

Vaccines not only protect individual children from measles, but also contribute to community immunity, protecting those who are unable to be vaccinated due to medical reasons.

Measles is a highly contagious respiratory illness with certain health risks, especially to unvaccinated individuals. The virus spreads through direct contact with infectious droplets when an infected person breathes, coughs, or sneezes. Early symptoms include high fever, cough, runny nose, and red, watery eyes, followed by a characteristic body rash. Most cases are mild, but rare complications can be severe, including pneumonia, blindness, and encephalitis. Prior to the introduction of the vaccine in the 1960s, virtually every child in the United States contracted measles. For example, in the United States, from 1953 to 1962, on average there were 530,217 confirmed cases and 440 deaths, a case fatality rate of 1 in 1,205 cases.

The current Texas outbreak has predominantly affected children, with 116 of the 146 cases occurring in individuals under 18 years of age. The DSHS reports that 79 of the confirmed cases involved individuals who had not received the measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccine, while 62 cases had unknown vaccine status. At least five had received an MMR vaccine.

In response to this outbreak, I have directed the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the Administration for Strategic Preparedness and Response (ASPR) to work closely with the Texas health authorities to provide comprehensive support. HHS’ efforts include offering technical assistance, laboratory support, vaccines, and therapeutic medications as needed. The CDC is in continuous communication with Texas health officials, ensuring a coordinated and effective response to contain the outbreak. I have spoken with Gov. Greg Abbott and Texas health officials, committing to providing them any additional support they need to bring this outbreak to an end. I have also spoken to the bereaved parents of the deceased child to offer consolation.

As healthcare providers, community leaders, and policymakers, we have a shared responsibility to protect public health. This includes ensuring that accurate information about vaccine safety and efficacy is disseminated. We must engage with communities to understand their concerns, provide culturally competent education, and make vaccines readily accessible for all those who want them.

It is also our responsibility to provide up-to-date guidance on available therapeutic medications. While there is no approved antiviral for those who may be infected, CDC has recently updated their recommendation supporting administration of vitamin A under the supervision of a physician for those with mild, moderate, and severe infection. Studies have found that vitamin A can dramatically reduce measles mortality.

Parents play a pivotal role in safeguarding their children’s health. All parents should consult with their healthcare providers to understand their options to get the MMR vaccine. The decision to vaccinate is a personal one. Vaccines not only protect individual children from measles, but also contribute to community immunity, protecting those who are unable to be vaccinated due to medical reasons.

Tens of thousands died with, or of, measles annually in 19th Century America. By 1960 -- before the vaccine’s introduction -- improvements in sanitation and nutrition had eliminated 98% of measles deaths. Good nutrition remains a best defense against most chronic and infectious illnesses. Vitamins A, C, and D, and foods rich in vitamins B12, C, and E should be part of a balanced diet.

Healthcare professionals on the front lines of this outbreak are working tirelessly to treat affected individuals and prevent further transmission. Their dedication and resilience are commendable, and they deserve unwavering support. It is essential that we provide them with the resources and backing they need to continue their vital work.

The measles outbreak in Texas is a call to action for all of us to reaffirm our commitment to public health. By working together -- parents, healthcare providers, community leaders, and government officials, we can prevent future outbreaks and protect the health of our nation. Under my leadership, HHS is and will always be committed to radical transparency to regain the public’s trust in its health agencies.

For more information about measles, please visit the CDC’s official website or contact your local health department.
As with most conservatives, he's backpedaling the second it actually starts to affect him.

Fuck him, hopefully his supporters will ignore this as 'liberal propaganda' and continue to darwin themselves.
 
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As with most conservatives, he's backpedaling the second it actually starts to affect him.

Fuck him, hopefully his supporters will ignore this as 'liberal propaganda' and continue to darwin themselves.
The people most harmed by vaccine denialism are often those with the least agency. Children don't get to choose their parents.
 
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[DHT]Osiris

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The people most harmed by vaccine denialism are often those with the least agency. Children don't get to choose their parents.
Sure don't, they also don't get to choose to take the vaccine. If a hundred dead children are what it's going to take to get people to vaccinate their spawn, it'll still put us ahead of the curve set by gun control.
 
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hal2kilo

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Well, it looks like RFK Jr is actually attempting to do the right thing after all.

ROBERT F. KENNEDY, JR.: Measles outbreak is call to action for all of us​

MMR vaccine is crucial to avoiding potentially deadly disease​

As the Secretary of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, I am deeply concerned about the recent measles outbreak. This situation has escalated rapidly, with the Texas Department of State Health Services (DSHS) reporting 146 confirmed cases since late January 2025, primarily in the South Plains region. Tragically, this outbreak has claimed the life of a school-aged child, the first measles-related fatality in the United States in over a decade.

Vaccines not only protect individual children from measles, but also contribute to community immunity, protecting those who are unable to be vaccinated due to medical reasons.

Measles is a highly contagious respiratory illness with certain health risks, especially to unvaccinated individuals. The virus spreads through direct contact with infectious droplets when an infected person breathes, coughs, or sneezes. Early symptoms include high fever, cough, runny nose, and red, watery eyes, followed by a characteristic body rash. Most cases are mild, but rare complications can be severe, including pneumonia, blindness, and encephalitis. Prior to the introduction of the vaccine in the 1960s, virtually every child in the United States contracted measles. For example, in the United States, from 1953 to 1962, on average there were 530,217 confirmed cases and 440 deaths, a case fatality rate of 1 in 1,205 cases.

The current Texas outbreak has predominantly affected children, with 116 of the 146 cases occurring in individuals under 18 years of age. The DSHS reports that 79 of the confirmed cases involved individuals who had not received the measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccine, while 62 cases had unknown vaccine status. At least five had received an MMR vaccine.

In response to this outbreak, I have directed the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the Administration for Strategic Preparedness and Response (ASPR) to work closely with the Texas health authorities to provide comprehensive support. HHS’ efforts include offering technical assistance, laboratory support, vaccines, and therapeutic medications as needed. The CDC is in continuous communication with Texas health officials, ensuring a coordinated and effective response to contain the outbreak. I have spoken with Gov. Greg Abbott and Texas health officials, committing to providing them any additional support they need to bring this outbreak to an end. I have also spoken to the bereaved parents of the deceased child to offer consolation.

As healthcare providers, community leaders, and policymakers, we have a shared responsibility to protect public health. This includes ensuring that accurate information about vaccine safety and efficacy is disseminated. We must engage with communities to understand their concerns, provide culturally competent education, and make vaccines readily accessible for all those who want them.

It is also our responsibility to provide up-to-date guidance on available therapeutic medications. While there is no approved antiviral for those who may be infected, CDC has recently updated their recommendation supporting administration of vitamin A under the supervision of a physician for those with mild, moderate, and severe infection. Studies have found that vitamin A can dramatically reduce measles mortality.

Parents play a pivotal role in safeguarding their children’s health. All parents should consult with their healthcare providers to understand their options to get the MMR vaccine. The decision to vaccinate is a personal one. Vaccines not only protect individual children from measles, but also contribute to community immunity, protecting those who are unable to be vaccinated due to medical reasons.

Tens of thousands died with, or of, measles annually in 19th Century America. By 1960 -- before the vaccine’s introduction -- improvements in sanitation and nutrition had eliminated 98% of measles deaths. Good nutrition remains a best defense against most chronic and infectious illnesses. Vitamins A, C, and D, and foods rich in vitamins B12, C, and E should be part of a balanced diet.

Healthcare professionals on the front lines of this outbreak are working tirelessly to treat affected individuals and prevent further transmission. Their dedication and resilience are commendable, and they deserve unwavering support. It is essential that we provide them with the resources and backing they need to continue their vital work.

The measles outbreak in Texas is a call to action for all of us to reaffirm our commitment to public health. By working together -- parents, healthcare providers, community leaders, and government officials, we can prevent future outbreaks and protect the health of our nation. Under my leadership, HHS is and will always be committed to radical transparency to regain the public’s trust in its health agencies.

For more information about measles, please visit the CDC’s official website or contact your local health department.
Where's that cartoon skid noise.
 

APU_Fusion

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Sounds like RFK is an Antifa libtard deep state plant by Hilary Clinton playing the long con on Trumpolini.

How do you magats resolve measles, vaccines, and what magat rfk just stated?

We all know you can’t so will hide and run from this thread. Oh look, vaccines are evil until consequences arise and suddenly it’s vaccines good.

What a bunch of ignorant fucks you magat are.
 
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