The Trump Tariffs thread

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VRAMdemon

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Republicans: The government spends too much, we have to cut Medicare and Social Security

Trump: I’M PUTTING IT ALL IN BITCOIN YO!

 

SteveGrabowski

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This trade war stupidity and the stuff with Ukraine pissing off Europe we're not going to have any friends by like next month and the world will just tell us to get bent.
I think it's wrong to view this as a trade war. What it really is is a way to implement the right's wet dream of a national sales tax to shift the tax burden onto the working class, especially since this is a tax on food. This is the Fair Tax being implemented so they can cut Elon's income tax.
 

K1052

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I think it's wrong to view this as a trade war. What it really is is a way to implement the right's wet dream of a national sales tax to shift the tax burden onto the working class, especially since this is a tax on food. This is the Fair Tax being implemented so they can cut Elon's income tax.

The tariff playground in Trump's head is multifold. They can be used for political leverage, economic leverage, or to raise revenue. Or sometimes he wants to do all three with them....which is not really possible.

Anyway I'm sure Americans are going to be quite excited for basically everything to get more expensive quickly again.
 

Muse

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This is not tariff-related but it is overall Trump and import related. I love Japanese kitchen knives, and this was posted in one of the chef knives communities I'm in. A popular website to get knives from is stopping shipping to the US due to its hostility.

So much winning!


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Well, I guess that means I don't get to stock my kitchen with Japanese steel, something that's been on my shopping list for a few years but didn't get around to deciding just what I want. I'll have to do with the Japanese cleaver I literally found in the bushes next to the local flea market around 12 years ago. It doesn't hold an edge great (I sharpen it a few times a week) but I use it several times a day. The USA is going to shit.
 

MrSquished

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Well, I guess that means I don't get to stock my kitchen with Japanese steel, something that's been on my shopping list for a few years but didn't get around to deciding just what I want. I'll have to do with the Japanese cleaver I literally found in the bushes next to the local flea market around 12 years ago. It doesn't hold an edge great (I sharpen it a few times a week) but I use it several times a day. The USA is going to shit.
Oh there are other good shops. But this happened to pop up in that subreddit I am in.
 
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- Anyone who doesn't have their shit completely wired to blow is making a huge mistake right now.

If Panama hasn't, Panama will be rigging the canal end to end with HE.

Funny, I never thought the global economy had so many guns pointed at it's head.
Panama doesn't need to rig anything to blow. The canal is an extremely static target with a large length. If anyone tried to control it illegally, I imagine it would be pretty easy to make it relatively inoperable for commercial use.

Just look at all this winning!

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It’s one thing for the administration to spin Ukraine, DOGE, etc. But spinning the economic fallout from tariffs? I wonder how that’s going to go.

I'll take a guess:

“It’s the fault of liberals.”

“China/Canada/Europe/Mexico is being very unfair.”

“Liberals. Woke!”

“Things are fine.”

All of the above will work!
Peak to trough change in GDP was around 4.3 percentage points for the Great Recession. Just going to touch all the stoves and burn down the house while we're all inside because "woke".
 
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WelshBloke

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Outside of beef, I don’t think our animal products are favored by external consumers for quality/flavor. I think our dairy is restricted in many markets due to hormones. But sure, I expect we’ll see designer varietals of sorghum featured on American menus sometime this decade.
I have literally never seen American meat for sale here (fresh meat that is). We get South American beef, New Zealand lamb, lots of stuff from Europe but no US meat.
 

NWRMidnight

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Hey, farmers! Get fucked!

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I "think" that he's trying to say that there’ll be tariffs on agricultural imports, which will, in his mind - increase farmers competitiveness in the domestic market.

Of course, there’s going to be countervailing duties imposed by other countries that are going to hurt their competitiveness in export markets, and on the whole it’ll be a net harm to agriculture. Have "fun" guys! lol!
Obviously he has no clue what his tarrifs did to farmers during his first term. He's a fucking moron.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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Republicans: The government spends too much, we have to cut Medicare and Social Security

Trump: I’M PUTTING IT ALL IN BITCOIN YO!

I'm telling you.

That basically confirms to me that the intent is to default on the dollar, and shift the US financial system to a cryptocurrency. Shitstorm doesn't even begin to describe this.
 

K1052

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Panama doesn't need to rig anything to blow. The canal is an extremely static target with a large length. If anyone tried to control it illegally, I imagine it would be pretty easy to make it relatively inoperable for commercial use.

Open all the gates and let Lake Gatun drain out. Sabotage some of the more delicate bits so it's hard to get operating again. If feeling extra frisky dynamite the walls of the Culebra Cut into the channel.
 
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Open all the gates and let Lake Gatun drain out. Sabotage some of the more delicate bits so it's hard to get operating again. If feeling extra frisky dynamite the walls of the Culebra Cut into the channel.
Yeah, there is that. Or just randomly shell the channel with artillery after the fact. It's not like the critical pieces can move for cover.
 
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I seriously hope you're wrong. That would crater the country. How would billionaires buy stuff back on crypto? Early "investor"?
These people really missed the Homer Simpson money lesson. "Money can be exchanged for goods and services." If the money is worthless, so is the fake crypto BS. And good luck with that security - your goons will need payment (that actually can buy stuff), and they'll probably want to look after their families and whatnot...
 
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[DHT]Osiris

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I seriously hope you're wrong. That would crater the country. How would billionaires buy stuff back on crypto? Early "investor"?
How would authoritarians you mean. Just mandate it, people will figure it out around meal 4, or the riot police will deal with them.
 

Artorias

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Doug Ford from Canada is an example how you stand up to a bully like Trump or Putin. You don't bow down to bully's like Trump who take advantage of the weak and stupid..

I'm genuinely concerned that the end goal is to poke us Canadian's enough where we do in fact turn off the energy tap.

It's an easy start for their propaganda machine that Canada has been taken over by radicals needing to be taken over to secure America's energy interests.
 
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GodisanAtheist

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I'm genuinely concerned that the end goal is to poke us Canadian's enough where we do in fact turn off the energy tap.

It's an easy start for their propaganda machine that Canada has been taken over by radicals needing to be taken over to secure America's energy interests.



- A little sooner than expected but hey Fallout timeline?
 

MrSquished

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I'm really trying to figure out if Canada would actually start cutting off power down here. I didn't think they would but now think that there is a very slight chance.
 

KMFJD

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read this on reddit and i thought it was worth sharing here

“I’m going to get a little wonky and write about Donald Trump and negotiations. For those who don’t know, I’m an adjunct professor at Indiana University - Robert H. McKinney School of Law and I teach negotiations. Okay, here goes.

Trump, as most of us know, is the credited author of “The Art of the Deal,” a book that was actually ghost written by a man named Tony Schwartz, who was given access to Trump and wrote based upon his observations. If you’ve read The Art of the Deal, or if you’ve followed Trump lately, you’ll know, even if you didn’t know the label, that he sees all dealmaking as what we call “distributive bargaining.”

Distributive bargaining always has a winner and a loser. It happens when there is a fixed quantity of something and two sides are fighting over how it gets distributed. Think of it as a pie and you’re fighting over who gets how many pieces. In Trump’s world, the bargaining was for a building, or for construction work, or subcontractors. He perceives a successful bargain as one in which there is a winner and a loser, so if he pays less than the seller wants, he wins. The more he saves the more he wins.

The other type of bargaining is called integrative bargaining. In integrative bargaining the two sides don’t have a complete conflict of interest, and it is possible to reach mutually beneficial agreements. Think of it, not a single pie to be divided by two hungry people, but as a baker and a caterer negotiating over how many pies will be baked at what prices, and the nature of their ongoing relationship after this one gig is over.

The problem with Trump is that he sees only distributive bargaining in an international world that requires integrative bargaining. He can raise tariffs, but so can other countries. He can’t demand they not respond. There is no defined end to the negotiation and there is no simple winner and loser. There are always more pies to be baked. Further, negotiations aren’t binary. China’s choices aren’t (a) buy soybeans from US farmers, or (b) don’t buy soybeans. They can also (c) buy soybeans from Russia, or Argentina, or Brazil, or Canada, etc. That completely strips the distributive bargainer of his power to win or lose, to control the negotiation.

One of the risks of distributive bargaining is bad will. In a one-time distributive bargain, e.g. negotiating with the cabinet maker in your casino about whether you’re going to pay his whole bill or demand a discount, you don’t have to worry about your ongoing credibility or the next deal. If you do that to the cabinet maker, you can bet he won’t agree to do the cabinets in your next casino, and you’re going to have to find another cabinet maker.

There isn’t another Canada.

So when you approach international negotiation, in a world as complex as ours, with integrated economies and multiple buyers and sellers, you simply must approach them through integrative bargaining. If you attempt distributive bargaining, success is impossible. And we see that already.

Trump has raised tariffs on China. China responded, in addition to raising tariffs on US goods, by dropping all its soybean orders from the US and buying them from Russia. The effect is not only to cause tremendous harm to US farmers, but also to increase Russian revenue, making Russia less susceptible to sanctions and boycotts, increasing its economic and political power in the world, and reducing ours. Trump saw steel and aluminum and thought it would be an easy win, BECAUSE HE SAW ONLY STEEL AND ALUMINUM - HE SEES EVERY NEGOTIATION AS DISTRIBUTIVE. China saw it as integrative, and integrated Russia and its soybean purchase orders into a far more complex negotiation ecosystem.

Trump has the same weakness politically. For every winner there must be a loser. And that’s just not how politics works, not over the long run.
For people who study negotiations, this is incredibly basic stuff, negotiations 101, definitions you learn before you even start talking about styles and tactics. And here’s another huge problem for us.

Trump is utterly convinced that his experience in a closely held real estate company has prepared him to run a nation, and therefore he rejects the advice of people who spent entire careers studying the nuances of international negotiations and diplomacy. But the leaders on the other side of the table have not eschewed expertise, they have embraced it. And that means they look at Trump and, given his very limited tool chest and his blindly distributive understanding of negotiation, they know exactly what he is going to do and exactly how to respond to it.

From a professional negotiation point of view, Trump isn’t even bringing checkers to a chess match. He’s bringing a quarter that he insists of flipping for heads or tails, while everybody else is studying the chess board to decide whether its better to open with Najdorf or Grünfeld.”
— David Honig
 

K1052

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Mexicans to announce retaliation on Sunday:

MEXICO CITY (AP) — Mexico President Claudia Sheinbaum said Tuesday that Mexico will respond to 25% tariffs imposed by the United States with its own retaliatory tariffs on U.S. goods.

Sheinbaum said she will announce the products Mexico will target on Sunday in a public event in Mexico City’s central plaza, perhaps indicating Mexico still hopes to de-escalate the trade war set off by U.S. President Donald Trump.

Unlike China, which imposed retaliatory tariffs immediately, Mexico decided to wait until Sunday, though the country has said since January that it had a plan ready for precisely this scenario.

“There is no motive or reason, nor justification that supports this decision that will affect our people and our nations,” she said.

Mexico’s president added that the tariffs Mexico will respond with are “not in any way or with the purpose of starting an economic or commercial confrontation that unfortunately and regrettably is the opposite of what we must be doing.”

“It’s inconceivable that they don’t think about the damage this is going to cause to United States citizens and businesses with the increase in prices for things produced in our country,” Sheinbaum said. “Also the damage it will cause by stopping job creation in both countries. No one wins with this decision.”


Chinese retaliatory actions begin March 10:

In reaction to tariffs on China, Beijing announced additional tariffs of up to 15% on imports of key U.S. farm products, including chicken, pork, soy and beef, and expanded controls on doing business with key U.S. companies.


China’s new tariffs will take effect starting March 10. They follow U.S. President Donald Trump’s order to raise tariffs on imports of Chinese products to 20% across the board. Those took effect on Tuesday, along with 25% tariffs on imports from Canada and Mexico.


https://apnews.com/article/trade-wa...a7ba0bfc34b4?utm_source=copy&utm_medium=share
 
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