Trump blames Ukraine for starting the war with Russia

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zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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I never said Ukraine started the war. The United States started the war. Europe followed along. I'll let you do your own research on why the U.S has been/is involved in Ukraine. And if Ukraine would have stayed neutral there would be no war.

what a dumb fucking cvnt.
 
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Jaskalas

Lifer
Jun 23, 2004
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-That's where we diverge big time. The US policing the world has resulted in an 80 year Pax Americana.

Wars are down bigly, human kind is generally better off than it was 80 years ago. No world wars cause the US military would kick all asses. No nuclear exchanges cause the US stockpile would glass the world. Global trade using oceans defended by the US Navy.

It was a golden age. Problem is people don't realize they were in a golden age until they are out of one, and we're leaving one at warp speed, on purpose no less.
Yes.
It is not to say that it was perfect, or without war. It is not to say we did not make some really big and stupid mistakes along the way.
But the world after WW2 established a peace that had never been known before. A down trend in widespread wanton slaughter. The cornerstone of that peace was US and Europe deciding on NATO and the UN.

To abandon those structures of peace and stability is to invite death and chaos.
Our opponents who strive for this unmaking of the global order, they have no idea the horrors that await both them and us. They do not understand history or the world as it was before. They want a direct sampling, plus the short and painful life that will follow.
 

sandorski

No Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
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-That's where we diverge big time. The US policing the world has resulted in an 80 year Pax Americana.

Wars are down bigly, human kind is generally better off than it was 80 years ago. No world wars cause the US military would kick all asses. No nuclear exchanges cause the US stockpile would glass the world. Global trade using oceans defended by the US Navy.

It was a golden age. Problem is people don't realize they were in a golden age until they are out of one, and we're leaving one at warp speed, on purpose no less.
The problem is that for the last 40+ years the Workers/Bulk of the population did not have a piece of that Golden Age. All those gains went straight to the Top and stayed there.
 
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GodisanAtheist

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Nov 16, 2006
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The problem is that for the last 40+ years the Workers/Bulk of the population did not have a piece of that Golden Age. All those gains went straight to the Top and stayed there.

-IMO the 90's and even a good part of the 00's up till '08 were alright for the little guy. Yeah, diminished slice of the pie and all that, but the situation wasn't as turbo fucked as it is today and will be tomorrow.

Hell we even managed to stand ourselves back up after '08 thru '19 and things were generally getting back on track (with the notable exception of housing), then Covid came in and completely mind fucked this country into the dark ages.

Except while Biden was again getting us on track again 65 million people collectively shit their brains and sent us down the darker timeline (likely because Trump = 2019 = good times, so Trump 2.0 means good times again, right? Right?!)

We were in a place where the problem was fixable with a little pain. I don't think we're going to be in a fixable place in 4 years.
 

cytg111

Lifer
Mar 17, 2008
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This is a wakeup call. Currently Russias military spending is only slightly below that of Europes and with that Russia even has some aces we dont.

Time to step it up.

 
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dainthomas

Lifer
Dec 7, 2004
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In a nutshell, Attacking the Russian people in the eastern Donbass and trying to ban the Russian language. Getting in bed with Victoria Nuland and the liberal European Administration's. The push to join NATO and breaking the Minsk agreement.

He started the war because he wanted people to be able to press 2 for Russian when they call the post office in Donbas? Weird solution, blowing up all the post offices. And also murdering thousands of people and leveling cities.
 

dainthomas

Lifer
Dec 7, 2004
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Ukraine’s status when it comes to NATO was never part of the Minsk agreement. You are either lying or parroting talking points from Moscow. Are you paid in dollars or rubles?

Probably moldy onions at this point.
 

[DHT]Osiris

Lifer
Dec 15, 2015
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With the US backing off it Russia contemplating tactical nukes again?
It's actually even more dangerous at this point I think. With the US involved, tactical nukes would have resulted in US+Europe intervention with conventional weapons. Without the US, Europe may just decide it's worth it to just pull the trigger on Moscow and st Petersburg or whatever and pray for no response.
 
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