Were You Affected By The WEP And GPO? The FAIR Act Was Passed In January 2024 . . .

BonzaiDuck

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Something I always resented, having chosen a career in public service, was the loss of Social Security benefits from jobs in my work history which were in the private sector or for which I'd paid Social Security Payroll Taxes. The Windfall Elimination Provision was passed by Reagan in 1983; In 2009, preparing to claim my SS benefits for a slight augmentation of my CSRS retirement, I suddenly discovered that the Reagan legislation had cut my $400 in monthly social security benefits to $177. The Government Pension Offset had a similar affect for other retirees. I was stunned to learn that two college dorm-brothers from 1966 -- one who had honorably served in the Army for 4 years -- had also had their benefits cut.

Now, Social Security Administration announces that WEP and GPO have been overturned as of January, 2024.

This is a slight glimmer of sunlight in wake of the disastrous Trump administration's attempt to decimate the civil service and government agencies. Attacking the civil service, they are focused on somehow eliminating just some part of 4.3% of the federal budget. Now . . . . unless they actually think they can steal the property-right that retirees have to their monthly SS benefit, or pull the Medicare carpet from under those with declining health in their old age, we might still feel secure that our income won't be interrupted. But many people are frightened; some like me are apprehensive. A good deal of folks who are years away from claiming their SS pensions or activating their Medicare eligibility probably just don't care.

Take, for instance, these low income Trump supporters who were already beginning to worry in late December.

Personally, I'm always eager to do the math in anticipation of changes in monthly bank deposits. I'm hoping for a lump-sum payment of about $3,500 covering 2024, followed by a $300 COLA-adjusted increase to a net Social Security benefit of less than $90 after subtracting the Medicare Part B premium. Chump change? Small potatoes? Much ado about nothing? Well, let me say this: Happier than a pig in shit! That's a lot of extra tacos and burritos. It's more than my monthly gasoline budget for a vehicle that only gets 13 mpg city mileage.

But I've noticed that my Medicare Part B premiums increase year after year by percentages that don't just follow COLA adjustments. Between 2022 and 2023, my premium increased 14%. Between 2023 and 2024, the increase was only 4%. Some SS recipients might see a monthly increase of $1,000, but their premiums will always be the same as mine.

Under Trump, what do you expect might happen to these Part B premiums? Or will I still be able to afford those extra tacos and burritos?

Do Dump and Muks want to double or triple our Medicare Part B premiums and drive us to penury?
 

sactoking

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Bumping this slightly old post to note that my 75yo widowed mother got a lump sum of $16,000 today plus notice that her monthly benefit is going from $78 to $1,200!

Thanks Biden and Congressional Democrats!
 

iRONic

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Make sure you check her tax requirement on those funds for her.
 

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Something I always resented, having chosen a career in public service, was the loss of Social Security benefits from jobs in my work history which were in the private sector or for which I'd paid Social Security Payroll Taxes. The Windfall Elimination Provision was passed by Reagan in 1983; In 2009, preparing to claim my SS benefits for a slight augmentation of my CSRS retirement, I suddenly discovered that the Reagan legislation had cut my $400 in monthly social security benefits to $177. The Government Pension Offset had a similar affect for other retirees. I was stunned to learn that two college dorm-brothers from 1966 -- one who had honorably served in the Army for 4 years -- had also had their benefits cut.

Now, Social Security Administration announces that WEP and GPO have been overturned as of January, 2024.

This is a slight glimmer of sunlight in wake of the disastrous Trump administration's attempt to decimate the civil service and government agencies. Attacking the civil service, they are focused on somehow eliminating just some part of 4.3% of the federal budget. Now . . . . unless they actually think they can steal the property-right that retirees have to their monthly SS benefit, or pull the Medicare carpet from under those with declining health in their old age, we might still feel secure that our income won't be interrupted. But many people are frightened; some like me are apprehensive. A good deal of folks who are years away from claiming their SS pensions or activating their Medicare eligibility probably just don't care.

Take, for instance, these low income Trump supporters who were already beginning to worry in late December.

Personally, I'm always eager to do the math in anticipation of changes in monthly bank deposits. I'm hoping for a lump-sum payment of about $3,500 covering 2024, followed by a $300 COLA-adjusted increase to a net Social Security benefit of less than $90 after subtracting the Medicare Part B premium. Chump change? Small potatoes? Much ado about nothing? Well, let me say this: Happier than a pig in shit! That's a lot of extra tacos and burritos. It's more than my monthly gasoline budget for a vehicle that only gets 13 mpg city mileage.

But I've noticed that my Medicare Part B premiums increase year after year by percentages that don't just follow COLA adjustments. Between 2022 and 2023, my premium increased 14%. Between 2023 and 2024, the increase was only 4%. Some SS recipients might see a monthly increase of $1,000, but their premiums will always be the same as mine.

Under Trump, what do you expect might happen to these Part B premiums? Or will I still be able to afford those extra tacos and burritos?

Do Dump and Muks want to double or triple our Medicare Part B premiums and drive us to penury?
Bonzaiduck.

four years ago, 2021 (I think) they raised the Medicase Part B 21.00 a month in anticipation of money needed for an Alzheimer drug that was approved to be used and paid for by Medicare (It was 56,000/yr). From 149 to 170.
In 2022 to 2023 it dropped 5.00 to 165.00 (something to do with redoing estimations of payment for Aduhelm)
Actually is was HHS secretary ordering the CMS to re-access the cost of Aduhelm at a 50% price reduction. Hence the Part B went down the next year by 5.00
In 2024 it went up 10.00 to 175
In 2025 it went up another 10.00 to 185

Now why the two succesive 10.00 increases the past two years, I don't now.

Here's the increase list from 2000
Here's a summary of the Part B premium changes from 2000 to 2025:



  • 2000: The basic monthly premium was $45.50.
  • 2005: $78.20.
  • 2006: $88.50.
  • 2007: $93.50.
  • 2008: $96.40.
  • 2009: $96.40.
  • 2010: $110.50.
  • 2011: $115.40.
  • 2012: $99.90 (decrease).
  • 2013: $104.90.
  • 2014: $104.90.
  • 2015: $104.90.
  • 2016: $121.80.
  • 2017: $134.00.
  • 2018: $134.00.
  • 2019: $135.50.
  • 2020: $144.60.
  • 2021: $148.50.
  • 2022: $170.10.
  • 2023: $164.90 (decrease).
  • 2024: $174.70.
  • 2025: $185.00.
 

BonzaiDuck

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Bonzaiduck.

four years ago, 2021 (I think) they raised the Medicase Part B 21.00 a month in anticipation of money needed for an Alzheimer drug that was approved to be used and paid for by Medicare (It was 56,000/yr). From 149 to 170.
In 2022 to 2023 it dropped 5.00 to 165.00 (something to do with redoing estimations of payment for Aduhelm)
Actually is was HHS secretary ordering the CMS to re-access the cost of Aduhelm at a 50% price reduction. Hence the Part B went down the next year by 5.00
In 2024 it went up 10.00 to 175
In 2025 it went up another 10.00 to 185

Now why the two succesive 10.00 increases the past two years, I don't now.

Here's the increase list from 2000
Here's a summary of the Part B premium changes from 2000 to 2025:



  • 2000: The basic monthly premium was $45.50.
  • 2005: $78.20.
  • 2006: $88.50.
  • 2007: $93.50.
  • 2008: $96.40.
  • 2009: $96.40.
  • 2010: $110.50.
  • 2011: $115.40.
  • 2012: $99.90 (decrease).
  • 2013: $104.90.
  • 2014: $104.90.
  • 2015: $104.90.
  • 2016: $121.80.
  • 2017: $134.00.
  • 2018: $134.00.
  • 2019: $135.50.
  • 2020: $144.60.
  • 2021: $148.50.
  • 2022: $170.10.
  • 2023: $164.90 (decrease).
  • 2024: $174.70.
  • 2025: $185.00.
I think I was being overly paranoid that they would "just grab" a bigger premium to absorb my FAIR Act increase. But it's good that you have a handle on these numbers for the last 25 years.
 

BonzaiDuck

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Bumping this slightly old post to note that my 75yo widowed mother got a lump sum of $16,000 today plus notice that her monthly benefit is going from $78 to $1,200!

Thanks Biden and Congressional Democrats!
Yes -- I'm glad I returned to this thread I started.

Latest news has me and a friend in another state receiving the auto-deposited lump-sum for the last 14 months. I'm only guessing that your mom was covered by the GPO, now overturned by FAIR.

What had your mom been living on as income before this development? Some of that money may be taxable for the return filed in 2026. You'd just have to work it out to acquire an estimate, so there won't be any surprise a year from now.

I had made a fairly accurate self-estimate of the lump-sum, coming in within $131 of the actual, which was about $4,364. The monthly deposit -- assuming fairly stable Medicare-B premiums -- rises from $87/month to $380. Of course that's nice.

But now, recognizing my rental-property sale last June, 2024, I must now anticipate the IRMAA temporary Medicare-B premium increase due to the capital gains income for 2024. With that, my approximately $170+ Medicare premiums will rise to around $590/month for the 2026 tax year. So the $380/mo net benefit payment will be absorbed by that, and -- contacting CMS/Medicare through my online account -- I was informed they would just send me a bill for the excess.

Thus, the $4,364 and the monthly $380 I get during 2025 must be saved so I'm totally covered for the IRMAA premium increase for 2026.

OK -- so I have my finances for the next two years properly estimated, anticipated -- and planned. Wonderful.

There is now something else.

Musk, DOGE and SSA Woodlawn HQ -- Save as much money as you can for now!

No matter what Trump says, SSA is losing senior staff who understand COBOL. Martin O'Malley, former SSA Commissioner, anticipates an OUTAGE or DELAYS in payment when or if the system crashes in the next several months or so. SSA hasn't missed or delayed a payment through it's 80+year history, barring USPS Treasury-check thefts.

Mid-level staffer rises suddenly to oversee SSA

So we're lucky for now that SSA was able to implement the FAIR Act before the criminal administration and the out-of-control South-African know-it-all began fiddling with the agency. Just anticipate problems in the not too far off future.

One of the article links suggests that the Criminal Administration might hope they can degrade services in SSA and several other cabinet agencies, such that the clientele become unhappy and disenchanted with "gov-mint' and they can privatize and even loot the trusts like that maintained by SSA.

I've got other gripes today, like how is it we elected an Asshole to destroy our alliances resulting from the sacrifices my ancestors made to save Europe? And did either Trump's family or Musk's -- or either of them personally -- ever sacrifice anything for this country?!

I'm so outraged and upset today, after listening to Trudeau and his successor speak. At this point, I'd rather be Canadian.
 
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Yes -- I'm glad I returned to this thread I started.

Latest news has me and a friend in another state receiving the auto-deposited lump-sum for the last 14 months. I'm only guessing that your mom was covered by the GPO, now overturned by FAIR.

What had your mom been living on as income before this development? Some of that money may be taxable for the return filed in 2026. You'd just have to work it out to acquire an estimate, so there won't be any surprise a year from now.

I had made a fairly accurate self-estimate of the lump-sum, coming in within $131 of the actual, which was about $4,364. The monthly deposit -- assuming fairly stable Medicare-B premiums -- rises from $87/month to $380. Of course that's nice.

But now, recognizing my rental-property sale last June, 2024, I must now anticipate the IRMAA temporary Medicare-B premium increase due to the capital gains income for 2024. With that, my approximately $170+ Medicare premiums will rise to around $590/month for the 2026 tax year. So the $380/mo net benefit payment will be absorbed by that, and -- contacting CMS/Medicare through my online account -- I was informed they would just send me a bill for the excess.

Thus, the $4,364 and the monthly $380 I get during 2025 must be saved so I'm totally covered for the IRMAA premium increase for 2026.

OK -- so I have my finances for the next two years properly estimated, anticipated -- and planned. Wonderful.

There is now something else.

Musk, DOGE and SSA Woodlawn HQ -- Save as much money as you can for now!

No matter what Trump says, SSA is losing senior staff who understand COBOL. Martin O'Malley, former SSA Commissioner, anticipates an OUTAGE or DELAYS in payment when or if the system crashes in the next several months or so. SSA hasn't missed or delayed a payment through it's 80+year history, barring USPS Treasury-check thefts.

Mid-level staffer rises suddenly to oversee SSA

So we're lucky for now that SSA was able to implement the FAIR Act before the criminal administration and the out-of-control South-African know-it-all began fiddling with the agency. Just anticipate problems in the not too far off future.

One of the article links suggests that the Criminal Administration might hope they can degrade services in SSA and several other cabinet agencies, such that the clientele become unhappy and disenchanted with "gov-mint' and they can privatize and even loot the trusts like that maintained by SSA.

I've got other gripes today, like how is it we elected an Asshole to destroy our alliances resulting from the sacrifices my ancestors made to save Europe? And did either Trump's family or Musk's -- or either of them personally -- ever sacrifice anything for this country?!

I'm so outraged and upset today, after listening to Trudeau and his successor speak. At this point, I'd rather be Canadian.
All that anger is probably not doing your health any good. Anybody who isn't comatose knows we're fucked? The best I can offer is to be aware that if we are powerless to save ourselves, the assholes that voted the monster in fucked themselves as well. You won't be alone in your pain. Awakenings are often called rude for a reason.
 
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