Katie Johnson full testimony from 2/11/2016. Trump raped her at 13

HomerJS · Mar 8, 2025

I don’t remember seeing this in 2016. The Epstein logs recently released have Trump’s name in them. I wonder if her name appears in any Epstein flight logs?

Ask yourself, does anything she says sound implausible based on everything we already know about Trump?

Remember this was recorded Feb 11, 2016. Somehow this guy not only avoided prison but got elected President. TWICE.

Greenman · Mar 8, 2025

Court documents accusing former U.S. President Donald Trump and the late billionaire sex offender Jeffrey Epstein of raping a 13-year-old girl identified as Katie Johnson are often shared by Trump's detractors on social media.
Though the Johnson cases were dismissed or withdrawn, those claims laid the groundwork for, and lent perceived credibility to, other entirely unsourced rumors that the former president had settled myriad other lawsuits with underage assault victims, pointing to evidence of his alleged "pedophilic disorder."
The Johnson claims, however, originated due to the aggressive efforts of a publicist using the false name Al Taylor. In 2016, investigative reporters tied the Taylor persona to a former "Jerry Springer Show" producer, Norm Lubow. For this story, Lubow confirmed to Snopes he had acted as Taylor and played a role in filing and promoting the Johnson claims.
Lubow's involvement does not disprove that Johnson is a real person, but it does show that those claims were aggressively promoted and aided by someone who has a professional history of using individuals to create fictional salacious drama, and that is a fact both he, and lawyers working for the plaintiff, attempted to downplay or hide.

Edit: Points above are from Snopes.

nickqt · Mar 8, 2025

Listen.

Daddy Trump may or may not have grabbed this 13 year old by the pussy. Sources differ.

Any set of bullet points to make fascist enabling shitbags feel a little better about themselves will do.

brycejones · Mar 8, 2025

Greenman said:
Court documents accusing former U.S. President Donald Trump and the late billionaire sex offender Jeffrey Epstein of raping a 13-year-old girl identified as Katie Johnson are often shared by Trump's detractors on social media.

Though the Johnson cases were dismissed or withdrawn, those claims laid the groundwork for, and lent perceived credibility to, other entirely unsourced rumors that the former president had settled myriad other lawsuits with underage assault victims, pointing to evidence of his alleged "pedophilic disorder."

The Johnson claims, however, originated due to the aggressive efforts of a publicist using the false name Al Taylor. In 2016, investigative reporters tied the Taylor persona to a former "Jerry Springer Show" producer, Norm Lubow. For this story, Lubow confirmed to Snopes he had acted as Taylor and played a role in filing and promoting the Johnson claims.

Lubow's involvement does not disprove that Johnson is a real person, but it does show that those claims were aggressively promoted and aided by someone who has a professional history of using individuals to create fictional salacious drama, and that is a fact both he, and lawyers working for the plaintiff, attempted to downplay or hide.

Since there hasn't been a full trail with a judge and jury adjudicating the claims I'm not even sure what you are trying to say. Afterall your own standard is without a trial we really just don't know anything. Unless the trial goes against Trump then it was rigged.

Moonbeam · Mar 8, 2025

I wonder how many would believe such claims if they were coming from a right wing source about some prominent Democrat.

Greenman · Mar 9, 2025

Moonbeam said:
I wonder how many would believe such claims if they were coming from a right wing source about some prominent Democrat.

Plenty of people would believe it, that doesn't make it right. Outrage sells, it gets clicks, there is profit in angry people, and more importantly, solidarity. When you have an agenda to pursue, an angry mob standing behind you is a handy tool.

fskimospy · Mar 9, 2025

Greenman said:
Plenty of people would believe it, that doesn't make it right. Outrage sells, it gets clicks, there is profit in angry people, and more importantly, solidarity. When you have an agenda to pursue, an angry mob standing behind you is a handy tool.

I mean Trump is already an adjudicated rapist of a different person and that doesn’t seem to bother you so what’s one more?

brycejones · Mar 9, 2025

Greenman said:
Outrage sells, it gets clicks, there is profit in angry people, and more importantly, solidarity. When you have an agenda to pursue, an angry mob standing behind you is a handy tool.

Intellectually you seem to know this yet fall for it every time.

Pontius Dilate · Mar 9, 2025

Trump illegally impounds money appropriated by congress, employs the richest guy in the US, who has billions in contracts with the government, to hack and slash his way through the government, terminating employment of tens of thousands of civil servants, dangerously exposing critical US infrastructure, threatening the lives of people in the US and around the world, while Trump bullies our allies and embraces our enemies.

Greenman: I don’t know anything about it.

Trump is accused of raping a girl.

Greenman: I must research this and defend Trump.

[DHT]Osiris · Mar 9, 2025

Greenman said:
Court documents accusing former U.S. President Donald Trump and the late billionaire sex offender Jeffrey Epstein of raping a 13-year-old girl identified as Katie Johnson are often shared by Trump's detractors on social media.

Though the Johnson cases were dismissed or withdrawn, those claims laid the groundwork for, and lent perceived credibility to, other entirely unsourced rumors that the former president had settled myriad other lawsuits with underage assault victims, pointing to evidence of his alleged "pedophilic disorder."

The Johnson claims, however, originated due to the aggressive efforts of a publicist using the false name Al Taylor. In 2016, investigative reporters tied the Taylor persona to a former "Jerry Springer Show" producer, Norm Lubow. For this story, Lubow confirmed to Snopes he had acted as Taylor and played a role in filing and promoting the Johnson claims.

Lubow's involvement does not disprove that Johnson is a real person, but it does show that those claims were aggressively promoted and aided by someone who has a professional history of using individuals to create fictional salacious drama, and that is a fact both he, and lawyers working for the plaintiff, attempted to downplay or hide.

Edit: Points above are from Snopes.

Maybe we shouldn't elect people, credibly or incredibly, accused of rape.

outriding · Mar 9, 2025

brycejones said:
Since there hasn't been a full trail with a judge and jury adjudicating the claims I'm not even sure what you are trying to say. Afterall your own standard is without a trial we really just don't know anything. Unless the trial goes against Trump then it was rigged.

If it is trump yes @Greenman needs a full trial to convince him

But if it is say Clinton. He just needs his feels

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Such a hypocrite

Brainonska511 · Mar 9, 2025

outriding said:
If it is trump yes @Greenman needs a full trial to convince him

*Restrictions apply. Some trials are just biased and don't count.

hal2kilo · Mar 9, 2025

outriding said:
If it is trump yes @Greenman needs a full trial to convince him

But if it is say Clinton. He just needs his feels

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Such a hypocrite

That is no longer a defined reality to the cons.

HomerJS · Mar 9, 2025

Greenman said:
Plenty of people would believe it, that doesn't make it right. Outrage sells, it gets clicks, there is profit in angry people, and more importantly, solidarity. When you have an agenda to pursue, an angry mob standing behind you is a handy tool.

What agenda did she have? Answer the question based on what we publicaly know about Trump and Epstein are her claims plausible?

Did you watch the entire video?

Example if someone made those claims about Obama I would say not plausible. Ask same question about Trump I would say very plausible.

Moonbeam · Mar 9, 2025

Greenman said:
Court documents accusing former U.S. President Donald Trump and the late billionaire sex offender Jeffrey Epstein of raping a 13-year-old girl identified as Katie Johnson are often shared by Trump's detractors on social media.

Though the Johnson cases were dismissed or withdrawn, those claims laid the groundwork for, and lent perceived credibility to, other entirely unsourced rumors that the former president had settled myriad other lawsuits with underage assault victims, pointing to evidence of his alleged "pedophilic disorder."

The Johnson claims, however, originated due to the aggressive efforts of a publicist using the false name Al Taylor. In 2016, investigative reporters tied the Taylor persona to a former "Jerry Springer Show" producer, Norm Lubow. For this story, Lubow confirmed to Snopes he had acted as Taylor and played a role in filing and promoting the Johnson claims.

Lubow's involvement does not disprove that Johnson is a real person, but it does show that those claims were aggressively promoted and aided by someone who has a professional history of using individuals to create fictional salacious drama, and that is a fact both he, and lawyers working for the plaintiff, attempted to downplay or hide.

Edit: Points above are from Snopes.

Greenman said:
Plenty of people would believe it, that doesn't make it right. Outrage sells, it gets clicks, there is profit in angry people, and more importantly, solidarity. When you have an agenda to pursue, an angry mob standing behind you is a handy tool.

In my opinion these two posts are quite sensible ways of looking at things. How you described Newsom in a different thread as positioning himself as moderate on the trans-athlete thingi was also quite a normal way of viewing politicians. I think that there is plenty of good reasons for the points that you did. But the very fact that people can want to believe the worst of other people and the fact that what we so often see as the worst in people can, in my opinion, become a kind of trap.

What if Newsom was not actually just cynically positioning himself as we have become habituated to regard politicians with plenty of evidence that they do that, but instead was stating something he truly believes?

Just as we can’t trust every woman who claims rape, or that isnt being used by someone with an agenda for reasons, we should not fall into the trap of assuming inculcated and commonly true stereotypes should not always dominate our thinking.

The problem is that because we can’t actually be certain about the motives driving other’s behavior, we can’t always know what is driving our own. That is why we form stereotypes in the first place to give us an edge on the odds.

And each of us will use those stereotypes that best line up with our own personal experience. I call these our sacred cows. But not one of then can ever be proven as Truth. They are all subjective and acquired from hard knocks.

The result in my opinion should be that you not believe yourself any more or less than anyone else and simple be open to anything. We do not know and there is no need to believe or doubt anything. There is nothing in which we have any real stake.

We were trained to distrust and so we can’t allow ourselves to love. But there is only love. Everything is OK.

Greenman · Mar 9, 2025

Moonbeam said:
In my opinion these two posts are quite sensible ways of looking at things. How you described Newsom in a different thread as positioning himself as moderate on the trans-athlete thingi was also quite a normal way of viewing politicians. I think that there is plenty of good reasons for the points that you did. But the very fact that people can want to believe the worst of other people and the fact that what we so often see as the worst in people can, in my opinion, become a kind of trap.

What if Newsom was not actually just cynically positioning himself as we have become habituated to regard politicians with plenty of evidence that they do that, but instead was stating something he truly believes?

Just as we can’t trust every woman who claims rape, or that isnt being used by someone with an agenda for reasons, we should not fall into the trap of assuming inculcated and commonly true stereotypes should not always dominate our thinking.

The problem is that because we can’t actually be certain about the motives driving other’s behavior, we can’t always know what is driving our own. That is why we form stereotypes in the first place to give us an edge on the odds.

And each of us will use those stereotypes that best line up with our own personal experience. I call these our sacred cows. But not one of then can ever be proven as Truth. They are all subjective and acquired from hard knocks.

The result in my opinion should be that you not believe yourself any more or less than anyone else and simple be open to anything. We do not know and there is no need to believe or doubt anything. There is nothing in which we have any real stake.

We were trained to distrust and so we can’t allow ourselves to love. But there is only love. Everything is OK.

All really good points. The only response I have is about Newsome. My opinion of him is based on his prior actions, not the opinions of others. Perhaps he's always been a closet moderate, but he's never done anything to demonstrate that, so the only conclusion I can draw is the one he presents.

HomerJS · Mar 9, 2025

Who would ever consider it possible Trump would diddle little girls?

HomerJS · Mar 9, 2025

Greenman said:
All really good points. The only response I have is about Newsome. My opinion of him is based on his prior actions, not the opinions of others. Perhaps he's always been a closet moderate, but he's never done anything to demonstrate that, so the only conclusion I can draw is the one he presents.

But you are incapable of using prior actions by Trump to draw a conclusion in this case?

Greenman · Mar 9, 2025

outriding said:
If it is trump yes @Greenman needs a full trial to convince him

But if it is say Clinton. He just needs his feels

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Such a hypocrite

Always attack the messenger if you don't like the message.

Moonbeam · Mar 9, 2025

Greenman said:
All really good points. The only response I have is about Newsome. My opinion of him is based on his prior actions, not the opinions of others. Perhaps he's always been a closet moderate, but he's never done anything to demonstrate that, so the only conclusion I can draw is the one he presents.

One of the reasons I mentioned the Newsom thing is that while I have the same stereotype negatives of all politicians, that they are mainly driven by desire for power and financial ambitions, I ree that as a dangerous attitude to hold. It creates the cynicism I was talking about. One insight that I have had, however, which was hard won, is the awareness that I am a judgment machine. I feel a need to categorize things for safety on the battle field. Rather than think deeply I can just respond to whatever bullshit I've been conditioned to believe, and the insight I spoke of is that in fact I know nothing. Owing to the capacity of others to deceive, I can't say for sure if they are acting or if their moral positions are real. Therefore, if I try consciously not to come to conclusions as they are dangerous and if I find I have anyway, I try then not to take it seriously. You have to ask yourself if you would rather open yourself to being fucked by being trusting or committing false witness against innocent people. My moral beliefs tell me it's wrong to think evil of good people. Of that I am certain.

There is no reason why a politician can't believe a position he or she takes for political advancement isn't also something he or she would support anyway given no such assumption of advantage. I also think his position is right and it buys me nothing but grief from many on the left here.

UNCjigga · Mar 9, 2025

These were 2016 issues and should stay in 2016. Regardless of whatever happened with Katie Johnson, Trump was found liable of sexual assault and defamation in a civil suit brought by E Jean Carroll and that still wasn’t enough to sink him as a candidate, because Americans as a whole have abdicated their civic duty.

The only thing that matters in 2025 is Trump and his cronies actively implementing Project 2025 to destroy our government, and siding with our enemies to harm our allies.

JD50 · Mar 9, 2025

Greenman said:
Always attack the messenger if you don't like the message.

You voted for the person who has childish pet names for everyone he doesn't like right?

NWRMidnight · Mar 9, 2025

outriding said:
If it is trump yes @Greenman needs a full trial to convince him

But if it is say Clinton. He just needs his feels

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Such a hypocrite

Pretty sure that has been proven false as well. Trump has been convicted by a jury of his peers and is a 34 count felon, and @Greenman along with the rest of the "group" of deniers have denied any wrong doing and claim it's all policial weaponization of the judicial system for political gain, and he didn't do anything wrong, even though Trump willfully broke the law and committed those crimes. @Greenman, as well as the same group of deniers, could have front row seats, where Trump could be slamming his balls into their heads as they get in close to watch Trump rape another victim, and @Greeenman and those group of deniers, would deny it ever happened as they where cleaning up Trump's mess off the floor and help cover it up. As far as I am concerned, each and everyone of them are accomplice in all crimes Trump has and will commit as they enable, defend, and support those crimes, even when they see it happening right in front of them.

outriding · Mar 9, 2025

Greenman said:
Always attack the messenger if you don't like the message.

I cannot remember if this was you or not but I called out where a member gave a similar response. But I I will say it again

Calling out opinions are not attacking the messenger they are calling out the thought process. In this case your hypocrisy

Since you cannot see that I question your ability to be able to have any rational conclusions.

outriding · Mar 9, 2025

NWRMidnight said:
Pretty sure that has been proven false as well. Trump has been convicted by a jury of his peers and is a 34 count felon, and @Greenman along with the rest of the "group" of deniers have denied any wrong doing and claim it's all policial weaponization of the judicial system for political gain, and he didn't do anything wrong, even though Trump willfully broke the law and committed those crimes. @Greenman, as well as the same group of deniers, could have front row seats, where Trump could be slamming his balls into their heads as they get in close to watch Trump rape another victim, and @Greeenman and those group of deniers, would deny it ever happened as they where cleaning up Trump's mess off the floor and help cover it up. As far as I am concerned, each and everyone of them are accomplice in all crimes Trump has and will commit as they enable, defend, and support those crimes, even when they see it happening right in front of them.

Yes I believe it was found out to be false. But greenman jumped to conclusions because I would bet there was a (D) next to their name

Katie Johnson full testimony from 2/11/2016. Trump raped her at 13

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