Discussion Nvidia Blackwell in Q1-2025

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MrTeal

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24 SMs 4060 x 20 SMs 5050. Blackwell increased perf/SM (As saw with the 5070) + higher base and boost clocks should do the trick.

I think 100 - 90% of 4060 performance is feasible. RTX 3050 8GB was also ~90% of 2060.
Yeah, that sounds about right to me, maybe on the lower end of the range. Depends how far they push clocks. 5070 did really well to match 4070S despite the large disparity in shaders, but it also has 33% more membw. 5070 Ti vs 4080 the gains were smaller, so we'll see. The 5050 won't have much more membw than 4060 because they're both GDDR6, maybe a grade up if 20Gbps is cheap enough. I expect the 4060 to still be 5-10% faster.
 

Timorous

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And here's the 4060, it gets the SM count increased to 30 from 24. Still 8 GB. ~4060 Ti 8 GB performance maybe.

Figure the MSRP will be higher than $299 then but who knows.

With GDDR7 a 96bit 12GB 5060 would be far superior to what it looks like they are going to sell.

As for the 5060Ti a 16GB card that is more than $50 less than the 5070 is probably on balance a better product and more worthwhile because it won't have cases like Indiana Jones where it just does not work.

NV can avoid that issue with a 96bit 12GB 5060Ti as well.

Then with the super refresh they can release 128bit 5060 Super and 5060 Super Ti and keep the VRAM at 12GB with 3GB chips or they could make it 16GB with clamshell 2GB chips, will depend on volume and costs I suppose but both are possible.
 

Heartbreaker

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With GDDR7 a 96bit 12GB 5060 would be far superior to what it looks like they are going to sell.


I wouldn't encourage an even smaller bus.

Shrinking the bus, then doing a clamshell design with more chips, would probably be more expensive than just using 3GB chips.

Do 12GB the right way: with 3GB chips, or don't do it at all.

At this performance level 12GB really isn't that important. The 060 is basically a 1080p card, and for the minority of games that have an 8GB issue at 1080p, just turn down some settings.
 
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MrTeal

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Yeah, cutting the bus down would be a bad idea. You trade doing poorly on a couple games to a big drop in performance across the board.

What would probably be the best would be to only have a single 16GB model for the 5060Ti, and then drop to 8GB on the cut down 5060. It'll probably be ~4060 Ti performance and could probably use more VRAM, but it's not the end of the world if it's priced similarly to the 4060. I doubt we'll get that though.
 
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Timorous

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Yeah, cutting the bus down would be a bad idea. You trade doing poorly on a couple games to a big drop in performance across the board.

What would probably be the best would be to only have a single 16GB model for the 5060Ti, and then drop to 8GB on the cut down 5060. It'll probably be ~4060 Ti performance and could probably use more VRAM, but it's not the end of the world if it's priced similarly to the 4060. I doubt we'll get that though.

Given it will be using GDDR7 the bandwidth is still a lot more than the 4060 and 4060Ti models despite a cut bus.

The other issue NV will have is that a 16GB 5060Ti is going to be faster in several RT scenarios than the 5070 is due to more VRAM.

3GB chips is the other option but it depends on supply and if that is sufficient for volume parts.

An 8GB $300 part will not be well received by the market. A 12GB part, even with a compromised bus, will.
 

Heartbreaker

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An 8GB $300 part will not be well received by the market.

Forum dwellers engage in a lot of self projection about what the market will do, that ends up have zero correlation.

People said the same about the 4060 Ti 8GB at $400, and those sold like hotcakes.
 

MrTeal

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Forum dwellers engage in a lot of self projection about what the market will do, that ends up have zero correlation.

People said the same about the 4060 Ti 8GB at $400, and those sold like hotcakes.


4060 Ti 8GB @ $400 was also pretty much panned by reviewers, not that it had a huge effect on sales.

Given it will be using GDDR7 the bandwidth is still a lot more than the 4060 and 4060Ti models despite a cut bus.

The other issue NV will have is that a 16GB 5060Ti is going to be faster in several RT scenarios than the 5070 is due to more VRAM.

3GB chips is the other option but it depends on supply and if that is sufficient for volume parts.

An 8GB $300 part will not be well received by the market. A 12GB part, even with a compromised bus, will.
It'd have 336GB/s with 28 GT/s GDDR7 vs the 272 that the 4060 gets, but it's still 75% of the bandwidth it would get with a 128bit bus. In scenarios where it's not limited by VRAM, hypothetical 12GB 96bit 5060 is going to be slower and more expensive to produce than hypothetical 8GB 128bit 5060 would be. You'd also presumably lose 25% of the L2 cache. How much of a difference would probably be game dependent, but it'll be there.
 
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Golgatha

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A mighty fine purchase at that price, except for Blackwell owners coz it's gonna ruin their day
You buy one and scalp one, then you got that 3050 6GB for PhysX money!

Edit: I'm guessing due to supply and demand (plus tariff pressure...or just greed), I've seen the price of 3050 and 4060 cards go up by 10% or more lately. Stock of anything more performant than a 4060 is now non-existent at my local Micro Center.
 
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