Discussion Zen 5 Speculation (EPYC Turin and Strix Point/Granite Ridge - Ryzen 9000)

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DAPUNISHER

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When you "have x3d at home" but it's behind even a 285k
WTF would you be crying about? There is zero chance you could tell the difference between them in game. One is Intel's current generation and costs $620 here in the U.S. the other I bought shipped and sold by Amazon for $270 years ago.

On topic: Zen 5% aged like warm milk. All of the haters are roaching out now. 🤣

EDIT: I take that back, you could tell the difference in Space Marine 2

 

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Well doing a 180 while crashing is a sure way to put your opponent's glued together crap in the rear view mirror



You can't make this stuff up. Games where Intel CPUs can't even make it through the benchmark suite. They blamed it on Nvidia drivers, but I don't think anyone shopping for a CPU is going to care why. And so much for AMDip, almost double the 1% at 1440.
 

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You can't make this stuff up. Games where Intel CPUs can't even make it through the benchmark suite. They blamed it on Nvidia drivers, but I don't think anyone shopping for a CPU is going to care why. And so much for AMDip, almost double the 1% at 1440.
I'm a glass half full kind of guy.
So if sometimes nVidia drivers start getting blamed when they are to blame instead of "user error", "AMD", "game developper", "M$", I'm all for it.
The world is too full of people who've started to believe their own lies, whether it's FrameChasers' amdip or the bullcrap about respective driver quality.

As per your previous picture, I don't think anyone is shipping for Intel CPUs anyways

@DAPUNISHER : apologies for the needed edit. Will keep in mind.
 
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Phoronix results: https://www.phoronix.com/review/amd-ryzen-9-9950x3d-linux

Performance is good. But I'm rather disappointed by power consumption. 7950x3d was significantly more power efficient than 7950x, that doesn't seem to be the case for 9950x3d vs 9950x. I was, probably naively, expecting the same.

I still need to look deeper into the results 😀

Edit: this seems to show better efficiency, I feel better now
 

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Phoronix results: https://www.phoronix.com/review/amd-ryzen-9-9950x3d-linux

Performance is good. But I'm rather disappointed by power consumption. 7950x3d was significantly more power efficient than 7950x, that doesn't seem to be the case for 9950x3d vs 9950x. I was, probably naively, expecting the same.

I still need to look deeper into the results 😀

Edit: this seems to show better efficiency, I feel better now
7950x3d being more efficient than 7950x is just a consequence of lower TDP (120W vs 170W). The lower TDP for Zen 4 X3D parts is explained by being unable to run them as hard with V$ CCD on top. It's been rectified with Zen 5, and 9950X3D now has the same TDP as 9950X.
 

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@Nothingness makes sense to lose stock efficiency when the fmax limitation is lowered. HUB's video review has the 9950X3D in Eco mode results as well, you can see how it performs when power limited. I think anyone looking for better efficiency will just have to lower TDP a little.
Makes sense, thanks! This can be seen in Phoronix results where 7950x3d is slightly behind 7950x in raw performance, while 9950x3d is slightly faster. As I said, I need to look deeper at all results to get a better understanding.

I hope Michael will make further measurements including limiting TDP.
 

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After all the firmware updates, new miracle BIOSes, game profile schemes, Arrow Lake is still lost...
35% in HUB 12 game suite alone. The goose egg from the Canucks review and some of the awful 1% lows in other titles. Games where it is 60-75%+ behind; it really is Intel's Bulldozer moment. At least BD had Vishera follow up a year later on the same board with 10-20% better performance. It appears Arrow is one and done.

9700X sitting in the 2 spot shows that Zen 5% haterade campaign did not amount to diddly 💩 Looks downright spectacular after seeing team blue's regression.
 

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i starting to think all launches 2025 are paper launches.

I bet you less then 15% of the people that will actually use these cpu's will get it at MSRP, and the rest will be gone to botters and scalpers.

Although im really impressed with my brothers 9800X3D, i really don't think you need more unless your going to do other content heavy stuff, but then that would also mean, you need the pci-e lanes and probably more cores.

I would really love if AMD would give us a 64 PCI-E lane X3D for consumers, and not have it be labeled threadripper, where things get exponentially more expensive there.
 
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Has any of the reviewers tested gaming while the running something semi heavy in the background? Not necessarily encoding that taxes all threads, but enough to keep the CPU so busy that it doesn't core park. I typically can launch a game while doing other stuff, and I want to know what it does compared to my 7950X that does not core park.
 
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