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brycejones

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I am not familiar enough with the Senate protocol to know whether or not the Reps can effectively bypass the Filibuster. Either way though, I dont know if it really matters whether or not blaming a shutdown on the Dems is "bullshit". Trump got elected by making the electorate believe exactly that (BS), and I think the Dems will be blamed.
Only takes a majority vote to modify rules.
 
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I am not familiar enough with the Senate protocol to know whether or not the Reps can effectively bypass the Filibuster. Either way though, I dont know if it really matters whether or not blaming a shutdown on the Dems is "bullshit". Trump got elected by making the electorate believe exactly that (BS), and I think the Dems will be blamed.
It only takes 51 senators to change the rules. Hence, the filibuster is a convenient fiction the majority can use to stop things they also don't really want.
 
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K1052

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Senators Kim and Alsobrooks are no on cloture. Math getting real hard to find Rs the votes they need.

Apparently Gillibrand is yelling loudly enough to be heard through the doors arguing for yes because "it won't be a normal shutdown". Yeah well lady that's kind of the point of everything right now. You are the front line in a major constitutional crisis. This isn't like the fiscal fights of the past.
 
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Senators Kim and Alsobrooks are no on cloture. Math getting real hard to find Rs the votes they need.

Apparently Gillibrand is yelling loudly enough to be heard through the doors arguing for yes because "it won't be a normal shutdown". Yeah well lady that's kind of the point of everything right now. You are the front line in a major constitutional crisis. This isn't like the fiscal fights of the past.
Well, it helps that Trump's admin basically admitted that they won't follow the laws anyway for spending, helping to soldify opposition.

 

K1052

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Well, it helps that Trump's admin basically admitted that they won't follow the laws anyway for spending, helping to soldify opposition.


Yes saying out in the open you are going to illegally impound everything for the Dems anyway if they vote yes means it is utterly pointless to vote for cloture. Voting to strip yourselves of power is lunacy in these circumstances and likely political suicide when you have to face your voters again.
 

MrSquished

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You can reach any Senator or Representative at this number (202) 224-3121

I just left the Chucky team a nice voicemail. But seriously, it was very polite, zero swearing, but expressing very deep and sincere disappointment and also urging to not let this CR pass, but also to show some leadership, do concise and strong messaging, unlike his statement on the disappeared Permanent Resident at Columbia, and let the younger talent go out and spread the messaging.
 

ondma

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If Tim Walz could be a bit more mean, he will be a great option if we have an election again.
I would nominate him for dog catcher. Really, do you guys never learn? "Stolen valor, tampon Tim, the guy that let Minneapolis Burn, the guy who made 20 trips to China?" The Reps would reiterate all this baggage and more if he ever runs for national office again. I'm not even sure he will win Minnesota if he runs for governor. He is a hollow shell, all talk/bluster and just sways with however the wind blows. He "mis-spoke" numerous times as vice presidential nominee; just a less senile version of Biden as a gaffe machine. He would be a disaster as a presidential candidate. If he is the best the Dems can do they are truly and royally effed.
 
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MrSquished

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I would nominate him for dog catcher. Really, do you guys never learn? "Stolen valor, tampon Tim, the guy that let Minneapolis Burn, the guy who made 20 trips to China?" The Reps would reiterate all this baggage and more if he ever runs for national office again. I'm not even sure he will win Minnesota if he runs for governor. He is a hollow shell, all talk/bluster and just sways with however the wind blows. He "mis-spoke" numerous times as vice presidential nominee; just a less senile version of Biden as a gaffe machine. He would be a disaster as a presidential candidate. If he is the best the Dems can do they are truly and royally effed.
That's because you have no idea what you are talking about.
 
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K1052

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I called Durbin’s office and left a message since I will probably be an IL voter again next year. Demanded a no vote on cloture or I will vote for whoever runs against him in the primary.

Safe seat Ds pulling this thing across the line is categorically unacceptable and outrageous.
 
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I called Durbin’s office and left a message since I will probably be an IL voter again next year. Demanded a no vote on cloture or I will vote for whoever runs against him in the primary.

Safe seat Ds pulling this thing across the line is categorically unacceptable and outrageous.
I know. They can't say they are fighting for stuff, and then pull stunts like this.
 

MrSquished

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I'm finished with this party. They are completely incompetent an absolutely insulting to intelligence. Switching my registration next week even tomorrow if I have time. A Democratic party registration to me is a stain
 

GodisanAtheist

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OFC reporting on this is a complete shitshow to no one's surprise, I'm trying to find out what team Padilla and Schiff are batting for here.

Looks like Cali senators are voting against cloture, so far so good.
 

K1052

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This basically means that they're gonna roll over for whatever Trump wants until the midterms. Doesn't seem like a recipe for incumbent success to me!
 
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This basically means that they're gonna roll over for whatever Trump wants until the midterms. Doesn't seem like a recipe for incumbent success to me!
The Senate has too many fossils that don't see the big picture, and it's precipitated by a media environment stuffed to the gills with Murc's Law.

I sat through Markey's town hall the other day, and was left pretty disappointed. Not many questions were allowed to be asked (and those answered had pretty lackluster, stump-speech answers), and more time was spent on details about why all this stuff will be bad, but that they would be "fighting for us". Like, I know how things are going to be bad. Tell us what you're going to do about it. And here's the opportunity, and they're dropping the ball.

As much as some of the House leadership annoys me at times with the public statements (ie, Jeffries), my rep - Clark (the whip) - has been pretty consistent and decent with messaging, and they've been true to their side of the bargain on holding the caucus together. It's the Senate completely dropping the fucking ball.

I understand that the media is trying to spin this as "Democrats precipitating a shutdown": but don't give into that framing. It's a partisan CR foisted on the Senate by the hyper-partisan House, and Senate Republicans have the votes to pass it on their own (they could gut the filibuster tomorrow if they really wanted something to pass). That was also the whole point of DeLauro's truly clean CR proposal in the House - to give Senate Democrats something to point to and show how they aren't "pro-shutdown". Just tossing all the leverage straight into the trash.

And I also understand the downsides of a shutdown: it's a total shit sandwich. But the Trump administration is already not following the laws, and has promised to continue not following the law. At some point, a line needs to be drawn, and they aren't doing a good job delineating where that line will ever be.
 
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K1052

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Even the more even tempered people I follow I screaming mad calling for Chuck's head.
 

MrSquished

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Printing out my card to switch to independent in NJ right now.

Will get it out in the mail tomorrow or Monday.

I can do what I can do locally without having that stain of a party registration on me.
 

Indus

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Printing out my card to switch to independent in NJ right now.

Will get it out in the mail tomorrow or Monday.

I can do what I can do locally without having that stain of a party registration on me.

Stay dem for now in NJ.. but just behave like an independent and block all the donate spam emails.

It matters a lot more in the long term so you can have a say with voting down the establishment candidate locally.

I didn't vote for Adams last time.. and I'll vote GOP for mayor this time if I have to if he somehow wins the primary..
 
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Printing out my card to switch to independent in NJ right now.

Will get it out in the mail tomorrow or Monday.

I can do what I can do locally without having that stain of a party registration on me.
That's kind of a stupid move. Best to stay registered to weigh in on primaries. Given ballot access laws at the state level, the best avenue forward is to have the party gutted of the fossils and replaced without changing the formal name.
Even the more even tempered people I follow I screaming mad calling for Chuck's head.
I don't blame them at all. Schumer is just not cut out to lead this fight.
 
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MrSquished

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That's kind of a stupid move. Best to stay registered to weigh in on primaries. Given ballot access laws at the state level, the best avenue forward is to have stuff gutted and replaced without changing the formal name.

I don't blame them at all. Schumer is just not cut out to lead this fight.
If a primary is close maybe I will, I will vote in the Nov elections, and I will be a Dem to vote for any primary opponent if the NJ senators go along with this fiasco in 2026. I'd rather be an Independent. I want them to see themselves lose registered voters. They deserve it.

Schumer hasn't been fit to lead the Dems for years, and most of the Dem leadership hasn't been fit for years either.
 
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