Intel processors crashing Unreal engine games (and others)

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You also don't have to worry about condensation at all when the whole system is -30.

This is getting a little off-topic, but for anyone that knows what an air cycle refrigerator (or air cycle machine/ACM) is, it would be pretty interesting to put an entire PC inside the evaporator side of the unit and rate the compressor against the expected TDP of the system. In an air cycle, there would be no need for refrigerants other than air (or nitrogen). Downside: insane inefficiency. Also there's the chance of PC components off-gassing and certain components not functioning at all depending on how low temperatures got in the evaporator.
 

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Sorry, but 225/250W power limits are not conservative at all.

I consider 160W to be a reasonable limit and 120W a conservative limit.

Also you need to limit the frequencies too, so that the CPU does not ask for high voltage and cannot locally overheat. 5000/4000 MHz limits seem pretty safe to me.
That is for a K model or a non K model?
 

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After all the Intel / Dell firm wear updates I'm seeing this temp Intel Core i9 13900 35 °C (using Speccy)...
 

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UK Steve's 14900K is definitely degraded. That's why he has it set to 125W. He put the CPU stats back in AB. Look at the clocks in any CPU heavy game in his suite. A CPU marketed at upto 6GHz boost has trouble hitting 5GHz. He is better off using the 12700kf as it runs its rated speeds.

Steve scratching his head with the - hurr durr I have performance issues with all of my hardware in Spidey 2. Well Steve, a 14900K constantly going below 5GHz is leaving a lot of performance on the table in a CPU intensive game. He didn't even bother showing Spidey with RT, it would have been worse than the other run. Indy and 2077 with RT are tragic clocks.

 
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P4 and Bulldozer are celebrating because people will no longer argue about the worst CPU ever being P4 or Bulldozer. Raptor Lake is the undisputed champ now for a LONG time to come.
 

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P4 and Bulldozer are celebrating because people will no longer argue about the worst CPU ever being P4 or Bulldozer. Raptor Lake is the undisputed champ now for a LONG time to come.
P4 was forgiveable due some good designs and Bulldozer had tons of cores that cannot be burned out.

This is a whole new level of dissaster...
If even a non K unit burns out... that means that even laptop units are not safe too
 

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UK Steve's 14900K is definitely degraded. That's why he has it set to 125W. He put the CPU stats back in AB. Look at the clocks in any CPU heavy game in his suite. A CPU marketed at upto 6GHz boost has trouble hitting 5GHz. He is better off using the 12700kf as it runs its rated speeds.

Steve scratching his head with the - hurr durr I have performance issues with all of my hardware in Spidey 2. Well Steve, a 14900K constantly going below 5GHz is leaving a lot of performance on the table in a CPU intensive game. He didn't even bother showing Spidey with RT, it would have been worse than the other run. Indy and 2077 with RT are tragic clocks.


The 14900K has to have the widest range of performance I've ever seen in any CPU. In some reviewers systems it's slower than a 285K, and in some other reviews it's 20% faster. It's either a combination of degradation or really bad voltage binning from Intel not allowing some CPUs hit full boost clocks.
 

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The 14900K has to have the widest range of performance I've ever seen in any CPU. In some reviewers systems it's slower than a 285K, and in some other reviews it's 20% faster. It's either a combination of degradation or really bad voltage binning from Intel not allowing some CPUs hit full boost clocks.
The mitigations have also lowered the performance seen in initial reviews. Might be a wide variance between reviewers on settings at this point. It's been such a 💩show...

Steve got the 14900K from Intel through a retailer, and Asus gave him a board and 420mm AIO. He is a low budget gaming channel so he joked about how the review is 10yrs earlier than he expected. As he usually would not review it until he could build the whole system for a 100 quid. The real joke has turned out to be the idea of a used fully working 14900K in 10 years.
 

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No apparent degradation, still boosting to 5.5GHz on lightly threaded workloads.

Has never been run on older microcode, only on "fixed" microcode. The experiment continues...
Seems that happens in older microcode, the issue? Is that old Raptor Lake units, even stock ones are clearly affected with that. So, is hard to find a new 13th gen processor without being affected.

Heck, even the chinese are fearing that Alder Lake gets affected and sells their franken boards cheap... even if 12th gen was the last good Intel generation without degradation and the current one is still pending to see how good is it.
 

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I TOTALLY agree with this poster: https://www.overclock.net/posts/29445852/

Intel engineers got so traumatized by the Raptor mess that they didn't even try to push ARL. I guess Pat must've told them that they couldn't afford another bad PR nightmare so they played it stupid safe.
The issue is that ARL is made by TSMC and that tells a lot of Intel's process.
 

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I TOTALLY agree with this poster: https://www.overclock.net/posts/29445852/

Intel engineers got so traumatized by the Raptor mess that they didn't even try to push ARL. I guess Pat must've told them that they couldn't afford another bad PR nightmare so they played it stupid safe.

It is funny that the poster says there is head room for oc'ing etc. and yet that it was nice to have the cpu/ram settings be stable at launch. Something that has been a problem across intel and amd since ryzen in 2017.
 
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I predict that pretty soon the new CEO will try to offload ALL the Raptorcrap CPUs onto Chinese companies at dirtcheap prices and tell them to assume all responsibility for returns/RMAs with Intel completely off the hook. The only place where Raptor would sell easily is third world markets, to people who don't want Ryzen because their dad and grand-daddy never heard of a CPU company other than Intel.

For those who may not know, in most third world cultures, if your dad or mom tells you to divorce your wife, you are supposed to obey them and divorce the poor girl, just because the food she prepared or even tea she made wasn't to the liking of her in-laws. So they will dutifully avoid Ryzen and buy Intel.
 
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