Question Zen 6 Speculation Thread

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jpiniero

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To be fair, gaming is 100% what drives DIY sales. But DIY is only a small portion of the desktop volume.

Most desktop volume is Corpos who just prefer the form factor over laptops. It's not even cheaper these days.
 

OneEng2

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There are like a zillion data points for stores that sell DIY CPUs and 9800X3D is like >80% of the volume.

To be fair, gaming is 100% what drives DIY sales. But DIY is only a small portion of the desktop volume.

Most desktop volume is Corpos who just prefer the form factor over laptops. It's not even cheaper these days.
Exactly this.

Seriously guys. You expect AMD to plan a future on DIY and gaming? That's not feasible.

Desktop in general is a receding market, and gaming on PC is also declining.

DC on the other hand is increasing.

Desktop has no future that isn't a derivative of DC IMO.
 

Kepler_L2

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Desktop in general is a receding market, and gaming on PC is also declining.

 

soresu

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Careful with confirmation bias there.

#1. PC outselling consoles doesn't mean that the industry overall isn't declining.

#2. The first article is PC Gamer, so take their conclusions vis a vis PC gaming with a healthy sack or 2 of salt.

#3. Steam numbers increasing overall is to be expected even if the industry itself is declining, as the effect of increasing populations and internet access must be taken into account.

This is precisely why per capita figures in statistics are so important to normalise any analysis between nations (or states in the US) with vastly differing population density.
 
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Glo.

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I always love when for discussion about PC SALES DECLINING people bring sales of PC games versus consoles sales as an argument to make any point, whatsoever...
 
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Joe NYC

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Exactly this.

Seriously guys. You expect AMD to plan a future on DIY and gaming? That's not feasible.

Desktop in general is a receding market, and gaming on PC is also declining.

Intel desktop revenue is about as much as the entire AMD client revenue. So there is some upside potential there, especially in corporate desktop.

DC on the other hand is increasing.

Desktop has no future that isn't a derivative of DC IMO.

We might also see Kraken in low end and Strix Halo in high end corporate desktops.

One thing interesting about Kraken is that it supports DDR5 (not just LPDDR5).
 

Joe NYC

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But that is also true for Strix Point. [There are already miniPCs announced + new Framework 13]

I see, I was not aware of it. In fact, I seem to recall that some spec sheet said Strix Point is LPDDR5 only.

BTW, as an avid YouTube viewer, I have been bombarded by ads by MinisForum of their newest Strix Point based MiniPC. But I have not checked the specs (as far as memory type).
 

adroc_thurston

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Careful with confirmation bias there.

#1. PC outselling consoles doesn't mean that the industry overall isn't declining.

#2. The first article is PC Gamer, so take their conclusions vis a vis PC gaming with a healthy sack or 2 of salt.

#3. Steam numbers increasing overall is to be expected even if the industry itself is declining, as the effect of increasing populations and internet access must be taken into account.

This is precisely why per capita figures in statistics are so important to normalise any analysis between nations with vastly differing population density.
Console s/w sales are in the gutter this cycle since neither vendor has any games to sell.
 

soresu

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Console s/w sales are in the gutter this cycle since neither vendor has any games to sell.
Wasn't Horizon Forbidden West a big exclusive?

Oh derp, it was still PS4 bound 😱

True enuf, exclusive games are definitely the biggest draw for consoles beyond the simplicity of use relative to PC's (and modern consoles are erodiing that simplicity by no small degree).

Also once you know that console exclusivity is not going to be that persistent anymore it gives far less reason to buy a console than there used to be.

Zero Dawn was exclusive for 3 years, Forbidden West only had 2 years.

Final Fantasy VII Remake had 20 months exclusivity, while Rebirth had only 11 months.
 

fastandfurious6

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yeah consoles make increasingly less sense for three reasons:

1) there's barely any good games these days, sony heavily relied on exclusives, no good exclusives anymore. xbox never had any worthwhile exclusives lol

2) both ps5 and xbox are basically AMD PCs running custom OS

3) PC has everything plus 1000 emulators plus required work machine
 

adroc_thurston

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yeah consoles make increasingly less sense for three reasons
Oh they make all the sense.
Sony just made a bet on a zillion live service slop titles and MS is clinically unable to manage their IP portfolio ever since 2010.
It was a 6D chess move to buy Zenimax for like, 3 IPs and then make sure only one of them is alive (even at a pace of a title every 4/5 years).
 

soresu

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2) both ps5 and xbox are basically AMD PCs running custom OS
AFAIK Xbox OS is increasingly close to stock Windows.

While PS5/Orbis OS remains based on FreeBSD - sort of like a console equivalent of Android using the BSD kernel instead of Linux.
 

marees

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Zen 6 olympic ridge iod to have 8 RDNA 4 CUs


 
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Apprehensive about this bit:

The new cIOD is expected to be built on the Samsung 4LPP (4 nm EUV) foundry node, which offers improvements over the TSMC N6 DUV node the current cIOD is being built on.

Over the moon about this one:

A key area of focus for AMD will be the memory controllers, which will be updated to support higher DDR5 memory speeds using technologies such as CKD. You can currently run a "Granite Ridge" processor with memory speeds of up to DDR5-8000 but using a 1:2 clock divider is engaged between FCLK and MCLK, with 1:1 speeds being limited to around DDR5-6400. The new memory controllers will look to increase speeds with 1:1, and unlock speeds beyond 10000 MT/s with 1:2.

Seriously, is AMD REALLY sure they want to depend on Samsung???
 
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