Elon Musk now owns 9.2% of twitter...update.. will soon be the sole owner as Board of Directors accepts his purchase offer

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pmv

Lifer
May 30, 2008
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Notoriously litigious and cruel grade A asshole now burgeoning mass murderer cranky that people do not like him.

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Makes me wonder if he genuinely lacks all self-knowledge? Does he really think he's 'never physically hurt anyone'? Does he genuinely not know of the effects of his destruction of USAid? (Leaving aside the more indirect effects of DOGE, things with much longer-burning fuses, like the loss of experienced workers at things like the FAA)

One does wonder in general about the psychology of the ultra-powerful, who never have to personally participate in their acts of violence.

It gets complicated, because it applies to most of us to some degree, as most people have some degree of power, and thus can be seen as at least passively complicit in various forms of violence. But surely with someone with the power Musk has, it's qualitatively different?

Worst of all though is that he's now playing the victim.
 

K1052

Elite Member
Aug 21, 2003
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Makes me wonder if he genuinely lacks all self-knowledge? Does he really think he's 'never physically hurt anyone'? Does he genuinely not know of the effects of his destruction of USAid? (Leaving aside the more indirect effects of DOGE, things with much longer-burning fuses, like the loss of experienced workers at things like the FAA)

One does wonder in general about the psychology of the ultra-powerful, who never have to personally participate in their acts of violence.

It gets complicated, because it applies to most of us to some degree, as most people have some degree of power, and thus can be seen as at least passively complicit in various forms of violence. But surely with someone with the power Musk has, it's qualitatively different?

Worst of all though is that he's now playing the victim.

I'm not thinking that as super rich drug addled megalomaniacal narcissist he has a great bead on reality. Especially when it comes to himself.

This is one reason I think that wealth beyond a certain point is basically like getting a mental illness.
 

Kaido

Elite Member & Kitchen Overlord
Feb 14, 2004
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Mostly it felt like an episode to say look how cool LIDAR is.

I've been following self-driving for a long time; Tesla's removal of Radar seems backwards & their refusal to use LIDAR really shortchanges the system. Cameras can only effectively be used in clear weather, so Autopilot gets hampered in rain, snow, dust, smoke, fog, etc.

 
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Kaido

Elite Member & Kitchen Overlord
Feb 14, 2004
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This is one reason I think that wealth beyond a certain point is basically like getting a mental illness.

You get everything you want & nobody ever tells you no; it would be like renting a room in a buffet...no one has that kind of self-control lol.
 
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Notoriously litigious and cruel grade A asshole now burgeoning mass murderer cranky that people do not like him.

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A. No one has physically hurt him so based on his standard there is no violence against him.

B. There is no such thing as a woke mind parasite. If he truly believes there is he’s mentally ill and should be removed from positions of authority.
 

nakedfrog

No Lifer
Apr 3, 2001
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Notoriously litigious and cruel grade A asshole now burgeoning mass murderer cranky that people do not like him.

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Because he's a threat to freedom and justice the world over, and an oligarch. He is a repeat manifestation of the entire reason we had a revolution and have Constitution that's supposed to prevent people like him.

And still we have Kaido here simping for him.
"Him's just a poor li'l guy who got too disconnected because he's so rich".
Nah, bro, he's straight evil now, and I can only hope that soon someone in the military fulfills their oath.
 

cytg111

Lifer
Mar 17, 2008
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As pmv alluded to earlier, maybe he is this stupid? Removed from reality? I dismissed that idea quite some time ago cause you cant reconcile running those companies and having that level of success with being that fucking off - off center. Is autism boy - augmented by ketamine and yes-men really that far gone that he actually believes his own shit? Imagine being able to gas light yourself into the stratosphere - just running on fumes.
 

Kaido

Elite Member & Kitchen Overlord
Feb 14, 2004
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And still we have Kaido here simping for him.
"Him's just a poor li'l guy who got too disconnected because he's so rich".

Again, two separate things; please don't conflate situation analysis for defense:

1. PR & public behavioral psychology (how the marketplace is affected & why people do what they do). My perspective is an interest in self-driving cars, electric vehicles, and Tesla.

2. Political impact & judgement of him as a human being (government antics & personal opinions of his behavior). My discussion focus is not on this, but on technology & the impact of public behavior on marketplace sectors.

As far as behavioral psychology goes, his own biographer called him a sociopath. He publicly called a rescue work a pedo in front of the whole world & then won a lawsuit against the guy HE victimized. He fired 6,000 Twitter employees, brough a sink in as a meme, and then denied $500 million in severance pay. He's said tone-deaf Nazi jokes. He assisted in the firing of tens of thousands of government workers & showed up on stage holding a chainsaw.

This isn't normal behavior; it shows a severe lack of empathy. Part of it is due to financial isolation & being surrounded by "yes men", but part of it is also due to personality issues, which leads to one (or more) of 3 situations:

1. He really IS a Nazi

2. He publicly states one agenda, while privately driving a personal agenda

3. He really believes that he IS doing the right thing

If you saw the recent Fox interview, he couldn't understand why people didn't like him & his cars while he was "saving the country from bankruptcy". From the perspective of a lack of empathy, in his mind, he's saving the planet: safer, non-polluting cars. worldwide, high-speed satellite Internet, spaceships, social media, AI, residential batteries, etc. But then:

1. He alienated his core car sales base

2. He made Nazi jokes publicly

3. He assisted in firing huge numbers of American workers

Which led to protests, which led to a $126B personal loss for Musk & $800B Tesla business loss. At the end of the day, no matter how rich, famous or powerful you are, you're still a human being with problems (personality, environmental, moral, etc.). For marketing analysis, I like to deep-dive into the psychology of why people "sink their own ships", so to speak. Musk, Adams, and Kanye are all recent examples of empire collapses through a string of negative behavioral choices.
 

hal2kilo

Lifer
Feb 24, 2009
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Again, two separate things; please don't conflate situation analysis for defense:

1. PR & public behavioral psychology (how the marketplace is affected & why people do what they do). My perspective is an interest in self-driving cars, electric vehicles, and Tesla.

2. Political impact & judgement of him as a human being (government antics & personal opinions of his behavior). My discussion focus is not on this, but on technology & the impact of public behavior on marketplace sectors.

As far as behavioral psychology goes, his own biographer called him a sociopath. He publicly called a rescue work a pedo in front of the whole world & hen won a lawsuit against the guy HE victimized. He fired 6,000 Twitter employees, brough a sink in as a meme, and then denied $500 million in severance pay. He's said tone-deaf Nazi jokes. He assisted in the firing of tens of thousands of government workers & showed up on stage holding a chainsaw.

This isn't normal behavior; it shows a severe lack of empathy. Part of it is due to financial isolation & being surrounded by "yes men", but part of it is also due to personality issues, which leads to one (or more) of 3 situations:

1. He really IS a Nazi

2. He publicly states one agenda, while privately driving a personal agenda

3. He really believes that he IS doing the right thing

If you saw the recent Fox interview, he couldn't understand why people didn't like him & his cars while he was "saving the country from bankruptcy". From the perspective of a lack of empathy, in his mind, he's saving the planet: safer, non-polluting cars. worldwide, high-speed satellite Internet, spaceships, social media, AI, residential batteries, etc. But then:

1. He alienated his core car sales base

2. He made Nazi jokes publicly

3. He assisted in firing huge numbers of American workers

Which led to protests, which led to a $126B personal loss for Musk & $800B Tesla business loss. At the end of the day, no matter how rich, famous or powerful you are, you're still a human being with problems (personality, environmental, moral, etc.). For marketing analysis, I like to deep-dive into the psychology of why people "sink their own ships", so to speak. Musk, Adams, and Kanye are all recent examples of empire collapses through a string of negative behavioral choices.
Yet you go on and on.
 

Kaido

Elite Member & Kitchen Overlord
Feb 14, 2004
49,807
6,152
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Imagine being able to gas light yourself into the stratosphere - just running on fumes.

I think that's it...I think he really DOES believe that he's doing America a favor: he sees the business side of it (monetary savings, employee reduction, etc.) & the technology side of it (house batteries, EV's, etc.), but not the humanitarian side of it (which is...the whole point), which is why he can't see why people don't like him.
 

nakedfrog

No Lifer
Apr 3, 2001
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Again, two separate things; please don't conflate situation analysis for defense:

1. PR & public behavioral psychology (how the marketplace is affected & why people do what they do). My perspective is an interest in self-driving cars, electric vehicles, and Tesla.

2. Political impact & judgement of him as a human being (government antics & personal opinions of his behavior). My discussion focus is not on this, but on technology & the impact of public behavior on marketplace sectors.

As far as behavioral psychology goes, his own biographer called him a sociopath. He publicly called a rescue work a pedo in front of the whole world & then won a lawsuit against the guy HE victimized. He fired 6,000 Twitter employees, brough a sink in as a meme, and then denied $500 million in severance pay. He's said tone-deaf Nazi jokes. He assisted in the firing of tens of thousands of government workers & showed up on stage holding a chainsaw.

This isn't normal behavior; it shows a severe lack of empathy. Part of it is due to financial isolation & being surrounded by "yes men", but part of it is also due to personality issues, which leads to one (or more) of 3 situations:

1. He really IS a Nazi

2. He publicly states one agenda, while privately driving a personal agenda

3. He really believes that he IS doing the right thing

If you saw the recent Fox interview, he couldn't understand why people didn't like him & his cars while he was "saving the country from bankruptcy". From the perspective of a lack of empathy, in his mind, he's saving the planet: safer, non-polluting cars. worldwide, high-speed satellite Internet, spaceships, social media, AI, residential batteries, etc. But then:

1. He alienated his core car sales base

2. He made Nazi jokes publicly

3. He assisted in firing huge numbers of American workers

Which led to protests, which led to a $126B personal loss for Musk & $800B Tesla business loss. At the end of the day, no matter how rich, famous or powerful you are, you're still a human being with problems (personality, environmental, moral, etc.). For marketing analysis, I like to deep-dive into the psychology of why people "sink their own ships", so to speak. Musk, Adams, and Kanye are all recent examples of empire collapses through a string of negative behavioral choices.
You come off as pro-Musk, you have repeatedly declined to make clear your personal stance on Musk, thus you now have your own PR situation where I am going to continue to view you as simping for Musk until you clear the air.
 

Kaido

Elite Member & Kitchen Overlord
Feb 14, 2004
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6,152
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You come off as pro-Musk, you have repeatedly declined to make clear your personal stance on Musk, thus you now have your own PR situation where I am going to continue to view you as simping for Musk until you clear the air.

Sure:

1. I'm not pro-Musk.

2. I like Tesla as a technology company.

3. My current studies are in marketplace failures.

This is the largest corporate failure in history (that I know of), happening in real-time, affecting the government, American citizens, and the world at large, including the Ukrainian War. Currently writing a paper on it!
 

manly

Lifer
Jan 25, 2000
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A hype stock tanking by $800B is not a "business loss." Granted if Elon cannot reinflate the confidence game, then eroding sales will almost assuredly cause another huge downward move. Only time will tell, but it's looking pretty dicey for Tesla at the moment as an automaker. Having said that, if you're a dumb fuck that views Tesla as an FSD and AI play, then you don't care about the "legacy" auto business lol.

As of now, this is far from the largest corporate failure in American history. Enron and the 2008 financial crisis were clearly worse. But Elon still has time to get there.
 
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