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MrSquished

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The problem is the Democrats just have too many ineffective leaders.

Walz? Cringe and a liar.
Jeffries? Boring
Bernie? Old man yelling at the clouds, branded as a socialist
Newsom? Sleazy
Murphy? Boring
Schumer? LOL

AOC and Mayor Pete are the best communicators they have, but obviously unelectable on a national level for a myriad of reasons.
Man you always go way over the top with nonsense. Tim Waltz is cringy and a liar? A liar? what are you fucking GOP propaganda spreader here? And Bernie, He's old but he's packing venues on his tour. He's the one with the clearest fucking message. He's the one some younger inspiring talent need to learn from, not the idiots in charge now.

We've already established that Jeffries and Schumer fucking suck. But as always you like to throw out the baby with the bathwater
 
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SteveGrabowski

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Yes. The D is done.

This is the future. In MAGA speak this is a motherfcking Alpha. No one else stepping up to lead and power ahead? I guess I am gonna get my 84 year old ass off the couch and lead the charge.

HOW FUCKING PATHETIC IS THAT of the D leadership?

If only people would have listened to him 9 years ago we would have never been in this mess to begin with. But now we have such great leadership in Schumer playing dead and Jeffries sucking up to Silicon Valley techbros.
 

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Article will be good for two weeks. This guy is not nearly as progressive as Bernie but seems to have respect from folks like AOC. I think a big thing here is getting to know your district and building relationships early is going to be critical for Dems going into 2026. It’s an uphill battle for sure but one that needs to start.
 

SteveGrabowski

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At this point I have to think that Schumer is compromised, or just about as dumb as Trump

It's good to see you come around to what I have been saying for the last year and a half. The Democrats are a piece of shit party that sucks up to the ruling class and gives no fucks about us. Our only hope was a hostile takeover of the party by Bernie and AOC. The Democrats are not inept; they're compromised.
 

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KMFJD

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this is like charlie brown trying to kick the football that lucy is holding

 

ondma

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It's good to see you come around to what I have been saying for the last year and a half. The Democrats are a piece of shit party that sucks up to the ruling class and gives no fucks about us. Our only hope was a hostile takeover of the party by Bernie and AOC. The Democrats are not inept; they're compromised.
You're kidding right? I respect both of them as individuals; they aren't afraid to speak their mind, and are pretty consistent in their positions, not just saying what they think is politically expedient. However, both are far left of center, even for the Dems, and the last election clearly showed that was not the direction the voters wanted to go. Unfortunately, Bernie's window has closed, and I know those who have a thing for AOC will disagree, but (although I have come to respect her) she is totally unelectable on a national basis.
 

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You're kidding right? I respect both of them as individuals; they aren't afraid to speak their mind, and are pretty consistent in their positions, not just saying what they think is politically expedient. However, both are far left of center, even for the Dems, and the last election clearly showed that was not the direction the voters wanted to go. Unfortunately, Bernie's window has closed, and I know those who have a thing for AOC will disagree, but (although I have come to respect her) she is totally unelectable on a national basis.
Jesus fucking Christ, no your neoliberals are the unelectable ones, that's why they keep losing. The Democrats have been doing it your way for 30 years and we have two terms of Trump, two terms of Bush, and the death of the republic to show for it. Meanwhile when FDR worked for the people he got elected four straight terms and the Democrats controlled congress for decades when they gave a shit about the working class.
 
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SteveGrabowski

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this is like charlie brown trying to kick the football that lucy is holding

They don't believe this. They're not stupid, they're crooks. Schumer is not our representative, he's Wall Street's representative, and he almost certainly got heat from Wall Street when he was threatening to filibuster and hence why he likely dropped it and let Trump skeet all over us.
 
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iRONic

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Phukin Phetterman…

The Israeli prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, gave Senator John Fetterman a silver-plated beeper as a memento of the American lawmaker’s visit to his office in Jerusalem on Wednesday.

Netanyahu’s gift was a reference to Israel’s attack on Hezbollah operatives in Lebanon last September, in which the Mossad sent an encrypted message to thousands of booby-trapped pagers which suddenly exploded.


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KMFJD

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Phukin Phetterman…

The Israeli prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, gave Senator John Fetterman a silver-plated beeper as a memento of the American lawmaker’s visit to his office in Jerusalem on Wednesday.

Netanyahu’s gift was a reference to Israel’s attack on Hezbollah operatives in Lebanon last September, in which the Mossad sent an encrypted message to thousands of booby-trapped pagers which suddenly exploded.


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Senate representative for Tel Aviv not Pennsylvania it seems
 
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cytg111

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At this point I have to think that Schumer is compromised, or just about as dumb as Trump

I think it's "just" the Republican-Light factor chiming in, as in the big dollar wall street donors picked up the phone and said Chuckie, listen up.....
I think Democrats 2.0 needs to go full Citizen United on this bitch. If you are connected to the internet you can run your own fucking media sites and go full grass roots.

Manchin was not a one-off, he was just most visible cause he was outermost on the spectrum, not like he was not shoulder to shoulder with the next grifter.
 

MrSquished

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AOC is smart and she is putting in the work. Fuck the establishment democratic party which has for too long shut out true pragmatic progressives who are the ones who have kept the true values and priorities of Democratic values close to them. They have been shut down both by the Republican propaganda, but also by the corporatist centrist Dems way more than I ever thought. I had too much faith in the party, which while I knew it was corrupt like any normal party, I didn't realize how deep the rot run. But we are seeing it all spill out dramatically now. I pulled the wool right over my eyes and I was wrong - the Democratic party is rotten in the core. Nothing like the Trump party, but rotten in a different and less evil way, but still rotten.

Fuck the Democratic party until the actual genuine politicians take over, or start a new party. The fact Schumer is still sitting as the minority leader is an insult to anybody with any intelligence. They are still rotten.

I'm with AOC and those who back her.




 
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MrSquished

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The mayor of Boston. The governor of Illinois. And a few others.

They have more character, decency, and honor inside them then the entire fucking piece of shit Democratic leadership.

 

ondma

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Jesus fucking Christ, no your neoliberals are the unelectable ones, that's why they keep losing. The Democrats have been doing it your way for 30 years and we have two terms of Trump, two terms of Bush, and the death of the republic to show for it. Meanwhile when FDR worked for the people he got elected four straight terms and the Democrats controlled congress for decades when they gave a shit about the working class.
Well, just keep telling yourself that going all in on a strategy that was a debacle the last election will be a winning one. Like I said before, it is like almost drowning in 10 feet of water, but somehow thinking jumping into 20 feet will have a better outcome. BTW, neither Bernie or AOC is FDR, and the country was in a very different place when FDR was president.
 

pmv

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Well, just keep telling yourself that going all in on a strategy that was a debacle the last election will be a winning one. Like I said before, it is like almost drowning in 10 feet of water, but somehow thinking jumping into 20 feet will have a better outcome. BTW, neither Bernie or AOC is FDR, and the country was in a very different place when FDR was president.


I don't know what the solution is... I don't really believe in full-blooded socialism (seen people try that most of my life and it never really worked out). But I don't see that you could claim that the Democrats in the last election tried anything like full on class warfare. Seemed like mostly vague feel-good woffle and identity politics (which, as I've said, I consider to be intrinsically right-wing and just an aspect of liberalism) to me.
 

pmv

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I mean, my attitude I guess is that the _only_ thing that kept the plutocrats in check was fear of socialism/communism. Nothing else ever worked. And unfortunately nobody now believes in those things (including me), thus the top-down class-war warriors are running amok, unconstrained by their old fear.
 

MrSquished

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Well, just keep telling yourself that going all in on a strategy that was a debacle the last election will be a winning one. Like I said before, it is like almost drowning in 10 feet of water, but somehow thinking jumping into 20 feet will have a better outcome. BTW, neither Bernie or AOC is FDR, and the country was in a very different place when FDR was president.

What are you talking about? The same strategy as this past election? The one where they let Biden be anointed king and steamroll a primary? And then Kamala and Tim start off progressive and aggressive and get a search but then are pushed in the middle by the corrupt corporate consultant Democrat class? And then lose?

He's talking about a complete opposite strategy.
 
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The mayor of Boston. The governor of Illinois. And a few others.

They have more character, decency, and honor inside them then the entire fucking piece of shit Democratic leadership.

Important note Mayor Wu likely will be a one term mayor and imo she has zero chance of progressing to a different seat.
 
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