https://videocardz.com/newz/another...alo-presented-up-to-120w-tdp-and-128gb-memory another model, without pricing information. Out of 5 models I know of, (this one, HP, GMktec, Asus, Framework) only Framework shared pricing information...
That's because Framework is already selling its product (they are at batch 8 now, still shown as shipment being in Q3). Is it possible to preorder any of the other models already?https://videocardz.com/newz/another...alo-presented-up-to-120w-tdp-and-128gb-memory another model, without pricing information. Out of 5 models I know of, (this one, HP, GMktec, Asus, Framework) only Framework shared pricing information...
Server customers are a very different market vs consumers. They have nearly unlimited piles of money if you make the best product for them. Gamers buying luxury goods do not. That’s a False Equivalence and always has been. Zen 2/3 took tons of marketshare without beating Intel in gaming because they offered great value. Until Zen 3X3D of course.Yeah that's how you win.
They built Rome with 2% server marketshare.
You're welcome.
Not according to Jon Peddie Research. AMD is usually more like 15-20% but 2023 was bad for them. Only picked up in Q4 when Nvidia started running out of Lovelace.This number is an urban legend that doesnt pass the most elementary analysis,
it s just so much spread by the usual viral marketers that it s taken at face value by the uninformed and then echo chambered ad nauseam.
Uh, nope.Server customers are a very different market vs consumers. They have nearly unlimited piles of money if you make the best product for them. Gamers buying luxury goods do not. That’s a False Equivalence and always has been
a) 3950X smashed Intel in everything but vidya (and was alright there too)Zen 2/3 took tons of marketshare without beating Intel in gaming because they offered great value
JPR numbers are only for a few OEMs PCs, they dont even include secondary manufacturers and dont account at all the retail GPU market.Not according to Jon Peddie Research. AMD is usually more like 15-20% but 2023 was bad for them. Only picked up in Q4 when Nvidia started running out of Lovelace.
Diverse product portfolio is good if you can afford it. You don’t start out trying to do everything at once. Start with one market at a time and slowly grow as your marketshare, revenue and profit do. Wasting resources making products you can barely afford isn’t wise.Short answer, yes I do. A diverse product portfolio is important in case one segment collapses. As I said originally, this hypothetical super-halo product would be 2-4 years out, so current wafer constraints aren't particularly relevant. And I think it would take a more than 0.1% of the dGPU market (local AI alone would be more than that).
The rules for consumer markets are that you make products the majority of customers actually want to buy at the best price/performance. I’ve never made a purchasing decision based on whether the company in question makes a more powerful product. That’s completely irrelevant to me and most consumers.Uh, nope.
Sames rules!
a) 3950X smashed Intel in everything but vidya (and was alright there too)
b) 5950X (Z3 parts in general) won gaming too. Saying otherwise is historic revisionism.
No that's what you do after you won.The rules for consumer markets are that you make products the majority of customers actually want to buy at the best price/performance.
car analogy opinion discarded.I bought a Mazda 3 because it’s an incredibly reliable and affordable car.
no it did, HWUB testing just sucks (1080p ultra AAA slop is *not* how you test gaming CPU perf. Especially not in 2020, before the 9th gen bawkses made games generally more CPU-heavy.).Zen 3 did not beat 10th/11th gen in gaming until X3D arrived late in the cycle. It was almost equal.
You think making bad value, high priced, niche products is how companies grow and get established? That shows a staggering lack of knowledge on the subject. You don’t enter a market making luxury goods, you start with the commodity segment.No that's what you do after you won.
car analogy opinion discarded.
no it did, HWUB testing just sucks (1080p ultra AAA slop is *not* how you test gaming CPU perf. Especially not in 2020, before the 9th gen bawkses made games generally more CPU-heavy.).
What on earth do you think the plan for To Mega Navion was? Isn't every big AMD multi-chip already?The only reason Ryzen 9 made sense is because of chiplets. AMD never would’ve made halo parts like that with monolithic dies.
Not to my knowledge, so yes, might be it but I thought giving pricing information is not always equal to starting preorders. Might be I am misremembering things.Is it possible to preorder any of the other models already?
Niche expensive products that are the best at everything is how iPhone won the mobile market. It's what Qualcomm tried to do with their entry into the laptop space, premium first then trickle down the mainstream parts once a brand image has been established.You think making bad value, high priced, niche products is how companies grow and get established? That shows a staggering lack of knowledge on the subject. You don’t enter a market making luxury goods, you start with the commodity segment.
The only reason Ryzen 9 made sense is because of chiplets. AMD never would’ve made halo parts like that with monolithic dies. The same strategy isn’t possible yet with consumer GPU’s because of the expensive packaging required. Therefore, I’m inclined to believe that the entire executive team at AMD knows more about business than you do.
yeah that's how Zen3 worked.You think making bad value, high priced, niche products is how companies grow and get established?
yeah. lmao.Isn't every big AMD multi-chip already?
no it's made sense because it won.The only reason Ryzen 9 made sense is because of chiplets
Yeah, if only AMD knew how to infuse that ambition into the GFX. The started the process with the cross pollination if CPU knowhow into GPU, now make the most of it. Do it.yeah that's how Zen3 worked.
Horrible value ($300 for 6 cores. lmao). Wins everything.
yeah. lmao.
no it's made sense because it won.
Just like it made sense to win in server.
gfx guys just need a small loan of BALLS from mr. Forrest Norrod.
Well they have it, their GPGPU roadmap is chud bingus.if only AMD knew how to infuse that ambition into the GFX
Yeah, fair. Just wish client could take a punt too.Well they have it, their GPGPU roadmap is chud bingus.
Really quick cadence and really mean parts.
Sold to OEM, not to the retail GPU market, prove is that even at 100$/GPU this would make only 440 millions for a whole year, while AMD s worse quarter was 429 millions without almost no sales to console manufacturers like Sony.Per these charts from JPR, AMD sold 4.4 Million GPU’s in 2024.
Sold to OEM, not to the retail GPU market, prove is that even at 100$/GPU this would make only 440 millions for a whole year, while AMD s worse quarter was 429 millions without almost no sales to console manufacturers like Sony.
Given AMD s quartely sales JPR numbers amount to barely one quarter sales and hence using them as a geneality is underestimating their markeshare by at least a 3x ratio, the maths don lie.
429M is for Q4 2024, dunno how that could be sold before 2024...Figure most of that was inventory that AMD had already sold to distributors/OEMs before 2024.
100$/GPU?Sold to OEM, not to the retail GPU market, prove is that even at 100$/GPU this would make only 440 millions for a whole year, while AMD s worse quarter was 429 millions without almost no sales to console manufacturers like Sony.
No offense, but I think you're rather underestimating the average price AMD asked for their GPUs by a factor of at least 3x.Given AMD s quartely sales JPR numbers amount to barely one quarter sales and hence using them as a geneality is underestimating their markeshare by at least a 3x ratio, the maths don lie.
Actually, with RDNA4 they could have won some OEM design wins.AMD mobile GPUs are dead, and desktop "OEM" cards are usually by some AIB.
Do you know the OEM price for it?It's simply too expensive for what It offers to gamers.