Discussion AMD's Future CPU-APU Gone ARM !!!

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Ghostsonplanets

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Medusa Desktop
Thanks Kepler!

Is the news of 4WGP/8CU RDNA 4 on the IOD true for Olympic Ridge? I thought RDNA 4 would be only for dGPUs.

If true, alongside the improved memory controller, AMD will be unifying the Ryzen X series and the G series into a single product. Better yet, one that isn't bound to Mobile cadence.
 

Ghostsonplanets

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I'm still surprised at how small SoundWave seems to be. Outside of the MALL, it's basically an Ryzen AI 5 340 with different CPU IP. But given the focus on 5 - 10W, a smaller design make sense from an efficiency point of view.

Well, I would certainly be interested into having smaller laptop with very long battery life. Assuming it's not MS only silicon, of course.
 

Shivansps

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no that's a completely schizophrenic concept to begin with.
DT/luggable parts have dGFX to mooch off.

dGFX are petty much ultra premium item and on their way to extention at this point, they need to start providing faster starting IGP perf.
 

Jan Olšan

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Mentions not seeing much difference/serious advantage from hypothetically going ARM. According to Clark, the clocks/performance/power qualities of x86 versus ARM (basically the higher clocks, higher power "nature" of x86) SoCs mostly have to do with markets that they target, not with the ISA.
 

Nothingness

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Mentions not seeing much difference/serious advantage from hypothetically going ARM. According to Clark, the clocks/performance/power qualities of x86 versus ARM (basically the higher clocks, higher power "nature" of x86) SoCs mostly have to do with markets that they target, not with the ISA.
Unless you've tried *really* hard to implement both ISA, it's mostly impossible to conclude definitely in a purely objective way.

This doesn't mean I disagree with the statement But I wouldn't bet my life or my job on it.
 

GTracing

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They didn't release anything (for good reasons, but that's another discussion). So in my book, there's no proof.
You think AMD faked the K12 custom ARM core? That's a "Stanley Kubrick faked the moon landing" level conspiracy theory.
 

Nothingness

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They did very much work on it tho so idk your point.
Intel also does a lot of work and loses to AMD in many benchmarks, and that's only of x86 vs x86. Do you really think Intel engineers are incompetent? No one knows for sure how K12 Arm would have behaved.
 

poke01

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Mentions not seeing much difference/serious advantage from hypothetically going ARM. According to Clark, the clocks/performance/power qualities of x86 versus ARM (basically the higher clocks, higher power "nature" of x86) SoCs mostly have to do with markets that they target, not with the ISA.
This is what Jim Keller was saying too. It goes both ways. ISA really doesn’t matter.

But design matter. Let’s see who creates the widest core but also has the highest clocks, no one’s done that yet that’s far more interesting than ISA arguments.
 
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madtronik

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This is what Jim Keller was saying too. It goes both ways. ISA really doesn’t matter.

But design matter. Let’s see who creates the widest core but also has the highest clocks, no one’s done that yet that’s far more interesting than ISA arguments.
Well, ISA DOES matter a bit. If it didn't matter at all, we wouldn't be seeing APX in a few years in an x86 processor near you.
 
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yuri69

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Mentions not seeing much difference/serious advantage from hypothetically going ARM. According to Clark, the clocks/performance/power qualities of x86 versus ARM (basically the higher clocks, higher power "nature" of x86) SoCs mostly have to do with markets that they target, not with the ISA.
He mentions they basically worked around the x86 variable-length encoding by adding uOp cache. Nowadays AMD uOp caches are rather huge with notable share of R&D pouring into them. Wouldn't it be easier to not having to?
 
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