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MrSquished

Lifer
Jan 14, 2013
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You are sooo gullible
@pcgeek11 is not gullible as much as he is just evil. He constantly defends the modern American Nazi party - and has been corrected probably over a thousand times on this forum, but he keeps defending the Trumper fascists. At this point, just recognize the evil that is the enemy.

This thread is just hilarious people thinking they are talking to a human being with any decency or rationality in them. I mean it's really kind of insane. If you don't know the enemy, you will lose the battle, and it's a big reason we are here today.
 
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fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
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You are sooo gullible

here is the origin of that info..


and guess what it is all bullshit

how in the fuck can anyone be this is real is beyond me

dont vote.. just dig a hole and live in it.. the world would be a better place

The extent to which the right wing media and political ecosystem relies on telling each other abject lies and then repeating them back and forth cannot be overstated.

One person makes up a lie, tells a bunch of other people who repeat it, and then when the eventual correction comes in the correction is determined to be a lie or the result of biased media because 'everyone knows' the original lie is true due to how far it has spread.
 

pcgeek11

Lifer
Jun 12, 2005
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Lots of those things are wrong, misleading, or lies. For example I picked one of the largest ones ($6 million for tourism in Egypt) and sure enough, complete bullshit and amusingly enough Trump was the one who made the agreement. So remember, never trust ANYTHING these clowns say. They will lie to you about the weather just to stay in practice.




Let's be maximally charitable and assume every single one of those is accurate though. (very strange to include two decade old Bush admin Afghanistan war expenditures!)

USAID has a yearly budget of ~$23 billion. Even if we assumed all these expenditures happened in a single year (and they very, VERY much did not) and that the entirety of the expenditure was bad, that would comprise about 1% of USAID's budget. If you remove the 20 year old Afghan war expenditures it comprises 0.08% of USAID's budget. If you spread them over the actual time frame in question it's a number so small you probably need scientific notation to express it readably.

Even if you take their claims to want efficiency at face value (LOL) this is one of the most incompetent efforts at efficiency in history.

I edited my response after more reading.

EDIT:
After reading more on this subject it appears that a lot of this came from not USAID, but the State Department. Regardless it is still insane wasting of taxpayer dollars and should be stopped.
 
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you2

Diamond Member
Apr 2, 2002
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I don't care what they cost. I don't agree taxpayer money should be used for it.

But it can be quite expensive IAW this chart:


🗽United States: $15,000 - $138,000.
What you are missing and a lot of these 'trans' laws across the nation is that there are very few trans. While you might argue that a single surgery @50,000 is a waste - I would argue it is less wasteful than the 10's if not 100's of million Trump waste playing golf while president. I.e, if you want to attack waste go after the big $$$ first then go after the small stuff.
 

you2

Diamond Member
Apr 2, 2002
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Insane. All this does is solidify his deranged status amongst nations. Doubt he's even thought this through.

Trump says countries that purchase oil from Venezuela will pay 25% tariff on any trade with U.S.
It is pointless but not nearly as insane as the other crap he sez. We already had previously sanctions against individuals and country that do things we disagree with - this is merely an extension of that though it ties into trump bully tariff instead of sanctions.

Now for the reason that is insane. His claim is this action is happening because Venezuela govt is intentionally sending criminals to usa.
 

brycejones

Lifer
Oct 18, 2005
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I edited my response after more reading.

EDIT:
After reading more on this subject it appears that a lot of this came from not USAID, but the State Department. Regardless it is still insane wasting of taxpayer dollars and should be stopped.
So you haven’t bothered yet to look into if the description given is even accurate but still call it insane wasting of tax payer dollars.

Come on man
 
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ch33zw1z

Lifer
Nov 4, 2004
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So by your admission you don’t even know if your evidence is actual evidence in support of your claims.

Come on man.

On par, they cant be secrets if hes not even aware. Checkmate libtards.

I mean, i did appreciate the laugh tho, the very first link going to the dailymail cracks me up
 

nakedfrog

No Lifer
Apr 3, 2001
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I don't have an issue with Trans People or Gays in the military as long as they can do the job and meet all the required standards. Trans people should be required to have gotten all transition surgery before they enter the military. I stated this earlier.

What I have is an issue with is taxpayers funding elective transition surgery. Due to the cost and the extended downtime required for recovery.
If they've already had surgery there's no incentive for them to join the military.

Following your thought process, we should probably go back to discharging women who become pregnant while serving too, that's a huge cost savings and eliminates the extended downtime for recovery. They should already have had children before they enter the military.
 

biostud

Lifer
Feb 27, 2003
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Lots of those things are wrong, misleading, or lies. For example I picked one of the largest ones ($6 million for tourism in Egypt) and sure enough, complete bullshit and amusingly enough Trump was the one who made the agreement. So remember, never trust ANYTHING these clowns say. They will lie to you about the weather just to stay in practice.




Let's be maximally charitable and assume every single one of those is accurate though. (very strange to include two decade old Bush admin Afghanistan war expenditures!)

USAID has a yearly budget of ~$23 billion. Even if we assumed all these expenditures happened in a single year (and they very, VERY much did not) and that the entirety of the expenditure was bad, that would comprise about 1% of USAID's budget. If you remove the 20 year old Afghan war expenditures it comprises 0.08% of USAID's budget. If you spread them over the actual time frame in question it's a number so small you probably need scientific notation to express it readably.

Even if you take their claims to want efficiency at face value (LOL) this is one of the most incompetent efforts at efficiency in history.
Penny-wise pound-foolish.
 
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Indus

Lifer
May 11, 2002
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Well I didn't personally verify these.


But sure.. just keep on blaming trans people as the problem!

In reality the probability of a person being trans is 1 in 10,000! Obviously still a much bigger problem still for you!
 

sandorski

No Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
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EDIT:
After reading more on this subject it appears that a lot of this came from not USAID, but the State Department. Regardless it is still insane wasting of taxpayer dollars and should be stopped.
A lot of that is to gain some type of favour. What you got from it needs to be part of the equation.
 

Indus

Lifer
May 11, 2002
14,035
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136
@pcgeek11 is not gullible as much as he is just evil. He constantly defends the modern American Nazi party - and has been corrected probably over a thousand times on this forum, but he keeps defending the Trumper fascists. At this point, just recognize the evil that is the enemy.

This thread is just hilarious people thinking they are talking to a human being with any decency or rationality in them. I mean it's really kind of insane. If you don't know the enemy, you will lose the battle, and it's a big reason we are here today.

@FelixDeCat is light years smarter than this guy and is asking real questions in comparison because of the effect of their policies on his finances.

He is just one of those who will spend time all his spare time with the nazi party drinking, laughing with them, but will say he's not a nazi since he's not wearing the apparel or doing the seig heil!

We all know the type!
 
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UNCjigga

Lifer
Dec 12, 2000
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So about those CBP detentions…there’s some warranted speculation that LGBTQ+ tourists (or those suspected of being LGBTQ+ based on appearances) are being “unofficially” targeted—not sure if that’s actual CBP policy or more likely that they tend to be a target when agents are asked to review piercings, tattoos, etc. for signs of gang affiliation, and being less willing to unlock their phones, but some people are noticing a higher number of LGBTQ tourists are the ones facing additional screening.
 

pcgeek11

Lifer
Jun 12, 2005
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If they've already had surgery there's no incentive for them to join the military.

Following your thought process, we should probably go back to discharging women who become pregnant while serving too, that's a huge cost savings and eliminates the extended downtime for recovery. They should already have had children before they enter the military.


So are they joining the military just for free surgery or do they want to serve?

My thought is having trans surgery is an elective life choice.

(AI Overview says):
The downtime for complete gender-affirming surgeries, including top and bottom surgeries, can vary depending on the specific procedures, but generally, recovery takes 6-8 weeks for initial healing, with full recovery potentially taking up to a year or longer.

A woman getting pregnant and having a baby is a natural event.

Healing is quite a bit shorter.
 

MrSquished

Lifer
Jan 14, 2013
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@FelixDeCat is light years smarter than this guy and is asking real questions in comparison because of the effect of their policies on his finances.

He is just one of those who will spend time all his spare time with the nazi party drinking, laughing with them, but will say he's not a nazi since he's not wearing the apparel or doing the seig heil!

We all know the type!
Felix is the same old dumbass, haven't you seen him post lately? Oy.
 
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nakedfrog

No Lifer
Apr 3, 2001
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So are they joining the military just for free surgery or do they want to serve?
You think everyone who joins the military does so because they want to serve?
My thought is having trans surgery is an elective life choice.

(AI Overview says):
The downtime for complete gender-affirming surgeries, including top and bottom surgeries, can vary depending on the specific procedures, but generally, recovery takes 6-8 weeks for initial healing, with full recovery potentially taking up to a year or longer.

A woman getting pregnant and having a baby is a natural event.

Healing is quite a bit shorter.
Wait, I thought we were after cost savings and military readiness here? Pregnancy recovery is overall actually fairly similar to a trans surgery recovery, and women are not mission-ready for at least a couple months of the pregnancy itself.
 

sandorski

No Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
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So about those CBP detentions…there’s some warranted speculation that LGBTQ+ tourists (or those suspected of being LGBTQ+ based on appearances) are being “unofficially” targeted—not sure if that’s actual CBP policy or more likely that they tend to be a target when agents are asked to review piercings, tattoos, etc. for signs of gang affiliation, and being less willing to unlock their phones, but some people are noticing a higher number of LGBTQ tourists are the ones facing additional screening.
Powers are given to people who are often there due to particular Views that they have. They are Self-Motivated and have the power to do so. Their current boss kinda likes it too. A match made in Heaven.
 

fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
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You think everyone who joins the military does so because they want to serve?

Wait, I thought we were after cost savings and military readiness here? Pregnancy recovery is overall actually fairly similar to a trans surgery recovery, and women are not mission-ready for at least a couple months of the pregnancy itself.
Yes, the amount of time that you are not deployable due to pregnancy is generally longer than for any trans surgery.
 

fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
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I surrender.
The courts will sort all of this out one way or another.
That's the problem though - by then it will be too late. The damage they are doing will not be easily undone.

The courts are not designed to deal with an executive that no longer feels bound by the Constitution. They aren't able to act swiftly enough to protect the public.
 

QueBert

Lifer
Jan 6, 2002
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Wait Sly is an asshole?

I saw a clip of him at a Trump Rally and it really bummed me out. I've always been a big fan so to find out he was a die hard Trumper was shitty. He does a great job of not bringing it out in interviews. About the same as when I found out Kelsey Grammer was MAGA. I didn't know shit about him as a person. But I loved Cheers & Fraiser when I was a teen. He was so good at being Fraiser that my brain was unable to process seeing an interview where not only was he not Fraiser, but he was a full blown MAGA idiot.
 
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