Only 31% of Americans want an EV or PHEV. What about you?

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bbhaag

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I wanted to get a used Mach-E but the wife nixed it.
I honestly think that right now is one of if not the best times to buy a used EV. Prices on gently used EVs like the Mach-E are insane. Same for the MY and 3, the Taycan and the Rivians to. Really all of them. It's crazy how many good deals are to be found in the used EV market.
 

sdifox

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I honestly think that right now is one of if not the best times to buy a used EV. Prices on gently used EVs like the Mach-E are insane. Same for the MY and 3, the Taycan and the Rivians to. Really all of them. It's crazy how many good deals are to be found in the used EV market.
It was going to be similar money to the UX250h but the badge won...
 

Red Squirrel

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I honestly think that right now is one of if not the best times to buy a used EV. Prices on gently used EVs like the Mach-E are insane. Same for the MY and 3, the Taycan and the Rivians to. Really all of them. It's crazy how many good deals are to be found in the used EV market.

I'm hoping it only gets better. Going to wait it out and see. Even used is a lot of money in general but it's starting to be on par with the cost of buying a new gas car and maybe it will eventually get lower. There are no used ones close to me, but after finding that Lightning at least within Ontario it kind of gives me hope that there is at least some if I look further out. Getting it here would be the tricky part but if it's a dealer selling it I assume they could arrange that.
 

Kaido

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I honestly think that right now is one of if not the best times to buy a used EV. Prices on gently used EVs like the Mach-E are insane. Same for the MY and 3, the Taycan and the Rivians to. Really all of them. It's crazy how many good deals are to be found in the used EV market.

High-mileage Model 3's (80k to 110k) are going for 15k to 18k on Autotrader. 50k-ish miles are going for $25k.

I've seen good Mach-E's in the $30k range!
 

lxskllr

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I don't pay too close attention to EVs. What's an old EV? What stage of life is 100k miles? Thinking of the battery here more than anything else.
 

Kaido

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bbhaag

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Tesla is the go to but don't discount the Chevy Bolt and the Nissan Leaf. They both have been around just as long or longer than Tesla. Many older Bolts and Leafs are still on the road today racking up the miles.
 

Kaido

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Tesla is the go to but don't discount the Chevy Bolt and the Nissan Leaf. They both have been around just as long or longer than Tesla. Many older Bolts and Leafs are still on the road today racking up the miles.

Leafs are a die-hard design.

Very curious about the "vintage" EV situation 20 to 30 years from now...
 

thedarkwolf

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I've probably already said it in this thread but the older Chevy Bolts had their batteries replaced due to the LG recall. When the battery was replaced the warranty RESET so 10 years and 100k miles after the replacement. Now that doesn't cover the electric motor but if you are afraid of the battery and want cheap the older bolt is it. They quit replacing the batteries in the newer cars 2019+? so you would want to look up the vin on GM's recall sight to make sure it was replaced.

I'm curious about "vintage" any vehicle from today in 30 years. There is so much electronic horseshit in cars these days it will be hard to keep anything on the road down the line.
 

Kaido

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I've probably already said it in this thread but the older Chevy Bolts had their batteries replaced due to the LG recall. When the battery was replaced the warranty RESET so 10 years and 100k miles after the replacement. Now that doesn't cover the electric motor but if you are afraid of the battery and want cheap the older bolt is it. They quit replacing the batteries in the newer cars 2019+? so you would want to look up the vin on GM's recall sight to make sure it was replaced.

I'm curious about "vintage" any vehicle from today in 30 years. There is so much electronic horseshit in cars these days it will be hard to keep anything on the road down the line.

5-year-old Bolts are still going for $20k in my area.

One of the things I wonder about is if Tesla goes bankrupt...the whole thing is crazy connected online & relies on so many cloud services...
 

Kaido

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Ford was offering a 3 year lease on the F150 Lightning for $399/month. I don't know if their "free level 2 charger and basic installation" is still in effect.

They do variation games with this number (ex. larger down payment, but lower monthly), but as like a get-around-town car deal, it's actually pretty brilliant!

 

manly

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5-year-old Bolts are still going for $20k in my area.

One of the things I wonder about is if Tesla goes bankrupt...the whole thing is crazy connected online & relies on so many cloud services...
This is nothing to even wonder about.

If it ever got that bad for Tesla, there are big enough automakers out there to buy their rotting corpse for pennies on the dollar.
 

Stopsignhank

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Ordered a BMW i4 M50 yesterday. Delivery is in 2.5 to 3 months. I just hope Trump does not get mad at Germany during that time and fuck up the delivery of my car. Pretty excited about getting it.

FUCK!!!!! We ordered a top of the line car, something that the dealers around here do not have in stock. SO if we do end up getting a car it will not be exactly what we wanted.

What a dickhead he is!

 

Red Squirrel

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Leafs are a die-hard design.

Very curious about the "vintage" EV situation 20 to 30 years from now...

I wonder about that too. With a gas car you put in a new battery, new gas, and it will start and run. And zero internet needed. With EVs and how they are so interconnected with the cloud, and have proprietary batteries, it won't be so easy. If it was stored with a battery that's at like 50% charge and the battery disconnect was pulled, the battery will probably be ok but if the internet stuff is dead you may not be able to do anything with the car even if the battery is ok.
 

aigomorla

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I miss the snap crackle pop a powerful aspriated v6 and v8 make with a excellent exhaust.
I think the Lexus LFA and Porsche Carrera GT, have exhaust notes which are very beautiful, like that opera singer when she can hit those notes well in Mozarts The magic flute - Queen of the Night.

But i have yet to see many cars which i can afford without taking a second loan on my house which can accelerate as fast as my Model S.
And i have a very heavy foot, and tend to over step that accelerator everytime i can.

Also i love how electric cars have that instant torque.

But when i really really retire, i intend to buy a Replica 67 Shelby Cobra GT, because i have driven one, and that was probably one of the most pleasurable cars i have driven without the need to push it fast at all.
But makes no sense to own one until you have nothing left to purchase anymore.
 
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Ken g6

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I wonder about that too. With a gas car you put in a new battery, new gas, and it will start and run. And zero internet needed. With EVs and how they are so interconnected with the cloud, and have proprietary batteries, it won't be so easy. If it was stored with a battery that's at like 50% charge and the battery disconnect was pulled, the battery will probably be ok but if the internet stuff is dead you may not be able to do anything with the car even if the battery is ok.
I really hope that doesn't happen. I looked up how to disconnect a Chevy Bolt, because otherwise it reports your driving habits to your insurer! They say you can pull one fuse to disconnect from the Internet, and it interferes with connecting to your phone, or do some magic behind the radio and it doesn't even hurt that.
 

Kaido

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I really hope that doesn't happen. I looked up how to disconnect a Chevy Bolt, because otherwise it reports your driving habits to your insurer! They say you can pull one fuse to disconnect from the Internet, and it interferes with connecting to your phone, or do some magic behind the radio and it doesn't even hurt that.



 
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Red Squirrel

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I hate how everything is designed to spy on us, it's a piss off that it's just so normalized now and not enough people seem to care to force any kind of change. You can't vote with your wallet, when they're pretty much all doing it.
 
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lxskllr

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A bunch of years ago I came || close to buying 1953 Dodge army truck with a Chevy 327 motor inside to use as a daily driver. Not a bit of network connectivity, but you trade that for always having a wrench in your hand. I'm still not sure I made the right call not getting it.
 

Stopsignhank

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A bunch of years ago I came || close to buying 1953 Dodge army truck with a Chevy 327 motor inside to use as a daily driver. Not a bit of network connectivity, but you trade that for always having a wrench in your hand. I'm still not sure I made the right call not getting it.
You made the right call. I have a 327 in my truck and I LOVE my truck. But as a daily driver it would be a no. It is loud, has manual steering, drum brakes and drinks gas. I call it my anti-Tesla because it is pretty much the exact opposite of an EV. While I love driving it, I can only drive it 3 or 4 times a week. The nostalgia of driving it is awesome, but then when I drive my son somewhere I am getting in the car.
 
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96Firebird

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My fiance will soon be in the market for a 3-row CUV/SUV when her current Escape dies, and would love to get a PHEV but there aren't many to choose from.

She really wants a new 4Runner (not 3 rows but she likes the extra space), but being more truck-like and probably not the best ride I told her we would look around and see what else fits. Toyota doesn't seem to have any PHEV this large (only hybrid 4Runner/Highlander/Grand Highlander), so I was also looking at the CX-90 and that's about it. Volvo and Lexus are out of our budget, and not interested in a Kia or Mitsu.

We both work from home, and most driving during the week is around town, so the short EV range of a PHEV seems nice. Maybe Toyota will bring the Lexus TX550h+ drivetrain into a Grand Highlander model in the near future, since the tariffs might be delaying this purchase.
 
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