Eye opening article at NYTimes about tick borne diseases & lack of vaccines/drugs in the USA

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I've been semi-aware of this for many years, but this goes a lot deeper than what I knew before. Don't stop with the article, read the Comments, they are mostly from smart, experienced people, many of whom have major personal experience.

This link is paywall penetrating for 14 days, i.e. until April 9, 2025:

 

purbeast0

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I got lyme disease like 5 or so years ago. I didn't even know I got bit by a tick and don't know exactly when it happened, but my best guess was it was when I went fishing in the sticks in shorts and had to rub up on a bunch of brush to get to where I was fishing from.

I didn't know what was wrong with me for like 1 or 2 weeks and started researching some symptoms I had and it was either tetnus or lyme.

When I went to the doctors I told them that and they were like 'well it's definitely not tetnus because if it was, you would have died a couple days ago' lol. But they did agree it could be lyme based on my symptoms so I did the lyme blood panel.

If I recall correctly, they said in order to be "diagnosed" with it, you need to have 6 of the 12 things in your blood they look for. I had 5 but the doctor said it was Lyme and that the test was probably too early to catch one of the other things to look for.

I was put on some strong antibiotics for a week and my symptoms went away.

To this day though, I do still get these very strange headaches like once or twice a year, where medicine doesn't even do anything. Like I will go to sleep with a headache and wake up with it. This usually lasts like 5-7 days. I never had this pre-Lyme so I think it's just one of those things I will have to live with.
 
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I got lyme disease like 5 or so years ago. I didn't even know I got bit by a tick and don't know exactly when it happened, but my best guess was it was when I went fishing in the sticks in shorts and had to rub up on a bunch of brush to get to where I was fishing from.

I didn't know what was wrong with me for like 1 or 2 weeks and started researching some symptoms I had and it was either tetnus or lyme.

When I went to the doctors I told them that and they were like 'well it's definitely not tetnus because if it was, you would have died a couple days ago' lol. But they did agree it could be lyme based on my symptoms so I did the lyme blood panel.

If I recall correctly, they said in order to be "diagnosed" with it, you need to have 6 of the 12 things in your blood they look for. I had 5 but the doctor said it was Lyme and that the test was probably too early to catch one of the other things to look for.

I was put on some strong antibiotics for a week and my symptoms went away.

To this day though, I do still get these very strange headaches like once or twice a year, where medicine doesn't even do anything. Like I will go to sleep with a headache and wake up with it. This usually lasts like 5-7 days. I never had this pre-Lyme so I think it's just one of those things I will have to live with.
My wife had a characteristic bullseye rash after coming back from a short backpacking trip in tick country. No tick was present, and no testing was done, but had a week of doxycycline to treat it.

(Caveat - I'm not a medical doctor, but I work in a medical adjacent field) As for your headache, I wonder if it could be more like a migraine - could try treating it with OTC migraine remedies instead of something that might be more for headaches.
 

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Already snatched one off my butt this year.
Not aware of ever having been bitten by a tick and not sure I've ever seen one in person. But I've heard (mostly read) a lot about Lyme Disease and a lot of that is very scary. Can be tough to diagnose, is often missed, and if ignored too long it gets to the stage where there's no cure possible.

I've taken up hiking dirt trails in the hills several times a week and am covered head to foot, including long sleeved shirt, gloves and hat. I wear socks that go up my ankles. I don't go off into the weeds and try not to brush up against vegetation!

I really hope that the trials going on now lead to a vaccine in the USA (article linked in OP and some of the Comments following it talk about that). It would be great to not have to worry about being bitten by ticks. IIRC, vaccines are available outside the USA, but some probably misguided concerns about possible side effects caused the ones that were being used in the USA to be retracted.

I encountered a couple of women yesterday on the trail who were wielding nets, the kind used in butterfly collecting. I shouted, "what are you collecting?" Woman replied "bumble bees. We're doing a survey." She flashed the badge pinned to her blouse. "We release them." Now, they WERE off trail and likely knee deep in weeds.
 
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To this day though, I do still get these very strange headaches like once or twice a year, where medicine doesn't even do anything. Like I will go to sleep with a headache and wake up with it. This usually lasts like 5-7 days. I never had this pre-Lyme so I think it's just one of those things I will have to live with.
It could be some sort of mild cerebral inflammation. I can kinda guess how you felt because last year (probably) I woke up with a headache that was more like something trying to squeeze my brain from all sides. Since I've weak kidneys, I must've eaten something that caused a mild sort of cerebral edema.
 

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Lyme disease... meh. Alpha Gal (get sick when you eat meat)... now that's some scary stuff.
Alpha-gal syndrome (AGS) is a rare allergic reaction to a sugar molecule called galactose-alpha-1,3-galactose (alpha-gal), found in the meat of most mammals (except primates).

Well, I guess if you have that rare allergy and you want eat meat you better limit it to eating primates. Yum!
 
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Lyme disease... meh. Alpha Gal (get sick when you eat meat)... now that's some scary stuff.
Evidently a tick bite can confer Alpha Gal. Lyme disease appears to be a much bigger problem in the eastern US than the west. Here's some good info:
 
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There was rumours that we might have some here and there had been a few incidents of people getting bitten but last few years seem to have been safe. Hard to tell what the future holds though with climate change and stuff. It's scary that something so tiny can basically ruin your life if you get bit by it. Having to cover your whole body to go in the bush when it's super hot out is not really realistic either and still not 100% safe. I just do my best to avoid vegetation touch me, and avoid doing anything that can shake trees that are over my head. Ex: no using an axe to cut branches as it causes the whole tree to shake. Best to use chainsaw.

When the vaccine becomes available I'll jump on that, if it's proven safe. Lyme is basically a death sentence. It might not kill you right away but you'll wish you were dead as it continues to deteriorate your quality of life.
 
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I have no idea what you're talking about. Can you explain? IOW in some detail?
This is just one article of hundreds:


I make no statement as to truth or not. Only that the theory remains.


The disease it self is not 'newly created', but the question is how it got to North America, concentrated in one small area initially and whether or not it was altered in any way.

https://www.bayarealyme.org/about-lyme/history-lyme-disease/

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This is just one article of hundreds:


I make no statement as to truth or not. Only that the theory remains.


The disease it self is not 'newly created', but the question is how it got to North America, concentrated in one small area initially and whether or not it was altered in any way.

https://www.bayarealyme.org/about-lyme/history-lyme-disease/

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OK, thanks. Yes, I think I saw something about that in the article or more likely the Comments. Slipped my mind.
 

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This is just one article of hundreds:


I make no statement as to truth or not. Only that the theory remains.


The disease it self is not 'newly created', but the question is how it got to North America, concentrated in one small area initially and whether or not it was altered in any way.

https://www.bayarealyme.org/about-lyme/history-lyme-disease/

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The 1st link you provide there does strongly suggest that the epidemic of Lyme disease in the USA could be the result of experiments with bioweapons.

The 2nd link you provide there, bayarealyme.org's page, makes no mention of conspiracy theories about how Lyme got to CT and beyond. It doesn't say alot but does say this:

Today​

Lyme disease is one of the fastest-growing vector-borne infections in the United States with ~500,000 new cases of Lyme disease each year.
 
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This is just one article of hundreds:


I make no statement as to truth or not. Only that the theory remains.

The disease it self is not 'newly created', but the question is how it got to North America, concentrated in one small area initially and whether or not it was altered in any way.
This is one of the Comments to The New York Times article linked (paywall penetrating) in the OP. It concerns the notion that tick borne diseases proliferating in the USA are the result of bioweapons research:

Read the 4x non fiction award winning book, BITTEN by Kris Newby to verify the origin of the many diseases in ticks. Perhaps why the simplicity of a vaccine does not work. My Chesapeake died young after several bouts with anaplasmosis though treated & vaccinated young. Ticks are bioweapons that 'escaped' secure US facilities including Plum Island off the North fork of Long Island in the late 1950s, early 1960s. DOD refuses to acknowledge. Still hiding the details. US has made bioweapons since WW1 and we die in obscurity of their effects, without proper acknowledgement , testing and treatment. There is currently one California lab able to test accurately for all the diseases you got from that seen or unseen tick bite. They are mapping the regions where their lab finds the various diseases in the US. This was the entire point of the bioweapon. Let the ticks go on an unsuspecting population and watch them suffer, puzzled for decades. I had a malaria illness from a mid Maine tick among other diseases. The most effective treatment options are from 'Lyme literate' practitioners.
 
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Let us just hope that this tick called Asian Longhorn tick (Haemaphysalis longicornis) never reaches serious numbers.
This scary tick that attacks with hundreds to thousands of ticks at a time. All clones too !


Small excerpt from text, click arstechnica link for full text :
"
A vicious species of tick originating from Eastern Asia has invaded the US and is rapidly sweeping the Eastern Seaboard, state and federal officials warn.

The tick, the Asian longhorned tick (or Haemaphysalis longicornis), has the potential to transmit an assortment of nasty diseases to humans, including an emerging virus that kills up to 30 percent of victims. So far, the tick hasn’t been found carrying any diseases in the US. It currently poses the largest threat to livestock, pets, and wild animals; the ticks can attack en masse and drain young animals of blood so quickly that they die—an execution method called exsanguination.

Key to the tick’s explosive spread and bloody blitzes is that its invasive populations tend to reproduce asexually—that is, without mating. Females drop up to 2,000 eggs over the course of two or three weeks, quickly giving rise to a ravenous army of clones. In one US population studied so far, experts encountered a massive swarm of the ticks in a single paddock, totaling well into the thousands. They speculated that the population might have a ratio of about one male to 400 females.

Just stepping foot in the paddock, the owner and health investigators were inundated with thirsty ticks that instantly began clawing up their pant legs. DNA analysis ultimately determined that the ticks were H. longicornis. Investigators found only one male out of 1,058 ticks collected.

"

So many people never understand why it is good that it freezes for a couple of weeks. To get rid of the insect pests. If the planet warms more and more because of manmade accelerated global warming through manmade pollution, we will get more and more insect pests, mosquitos, ticks, other blooddrinking insects like some flies do. And more through insect bite transmissive diseases like Lyme disease, but also maleria, sleeping disease and so on...
 
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Let us just hope that this tick called Asian Longhorn tick (Haemaphysalis longicornis) never reaches serious numbers.
This scary tick that attacks with hundreds to thousands of ticks at a time. All clones too !


Small excerpt from text, click arstechnica link for full text :
"
A vicious species of tick originating from Eastern Asia has invaded the US and is rapidly sweeping the Eastern Seaboard, state and federal officials warn.

The tick, the Asian longhorned tick (or Haemaphysalis longicornis), has the potential to transmit an assortment of nasty diseases to humans, including an emerging virus that kills up to 30 percent of victims. So far, the tick hasn’t been found carrying any diseases in the US. It currently poses the largest threat to livestock, pets, and wild animals; the ticks can attack en masse and drain young animals of blood so quickly that they die—an execution method called exsanguination.

Key to the tick’s explosive spread and bloody blitzes is that its invasive populations tend to reproduce asexually—that is, without mating. Females drop up to 2,000 eggs over the course of two or three weeks, quickly giving rise to a ravenous army of clones. In one US population studied so far, experts encountered a massive swarm of the ticks in a single paddock, totaling well into the thousands. They speculated that the population might have a ratio of about one male to 400 females.

Just stepping foot in the paddock, the owner and health investigators were inundated with thirsty ticks that instantly began clawing up their pant legs. DNA analysis ultimately determined that the ticks were H. longicornis. Investigators found only one male out of 1,058 ticks collected.

"

So many people never understand why it is good that it freezes for a couple of weeks. To get rid of the insect pests. If the planet warms more and more because of manmade accelerated global warming through manmade pollution, we will get more and more insect pests, mosquitos, ticks, other blooddrinking insects like some flies do. And more through insect bite transmissive diseases like Lyme disease, but also maleria, sleeping disease and so on...
That Arstechnica article is from 2018. This is from 2024:

Asian longhorned ticks (Haemaphysalis longicornis) are invasive pests that pose a serious threat to livestock in the United States. They can form large infestations on one animal and spread diseases that impact both animals and people.
 
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GodisanAtheist

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I'm curious how someone can not notice being bitten by a tick and also why testing for Lyme disease isn't SOP when someone has been bitten by a Tick (esp. if it can progress to an "incurable" stage).

Ticks are relatively large by parasite standards and they're really built for feeding on deer etc. Humans just don't have the hair cover (insert missing link joke here) and ticks are very easy to both notice and get rid of thanks to all this opposable thumb action. So how do you get bit and not know?

Given Lyme disease can become chronic, I figure it would be in the best interest of any insurance/healthcare network to catch it early and treat it than let it languish and turn into a chronic problem that ends up costing a bunch of money.
 
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