Yeah, but at what power limit? A lot of bigger 7945HX laptops allow 165W PPT, which for Zen 5 is only 35W below desktop 9950X(3D) at 200W PPT. Set a desktop 9950X(3D) to 165W PPT and I bet you only lose around 10% performance.9955HX3D preview benchmarks
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only around 10% slower than full desktop 9950X3D
the future is mobile!
There seems to be a nuance. Last time they relied a whole year solely on a rebrand was back in cash-strapped Zen 1 days with Raven Ridge/Picasso.AMD does this with mobile parts quite often. Unsure why folks are making this a big deal, this has been happening for years.
7040 zen 4 phoenix to 8040 zen 4 hawk is also that - reuse of the same silicon.There seems to be a nuance. Last time they relied a whole year solely on a rebrand was back in cash-strapped Zen 1 days with Raven Ridge/Picasso.
How is that the same situation?7040 zen 4 phoenix to 8040 zen 4 hawk is also that - reuse of the same silicon.
It's fairly typical for an AMD refresh, they just speed binned the highest end parts.
How is that the same situation?
* Phoenix launched in April 2023
* Hawk Point refresh launched in December 2023
* Strix Point launched in June 2024
Compare the Zen 5 situation:
* Strix Point launched in June 2024
* Gorgonzola refresh is scheduled to 2025-2026
* Medusa Point launches in Q1 2027
Yeah, but at what power limit? A lot of bigger 7945HX laptops allow 165W PPT, which for Zen 5 is only 35W below desktop 9950X(3D) at 200W PPT. Set a desktop 9950X(3D) to 165W PPT and I bet you only lose around 10% performance.
Not to mention, at least on Dragon Range, it ran JEDEC ram which meant the IOD power was very low, freeing up more power for the cores compared to desktop running EXPO. It also does funny stuff like clocking FCLK, UCLK, and MCLK down when under heavy CPU load that isn't doing heavy memory access, to free up even more power for the cores.
AFAIK there is no leak supporting this idea.Zen 6 laptop Medusa Point + 0 months Mid 2026
Zen 6 laptop rest+ 6 months - Start 2027
it's a 2026-2027 prediction, obviously there's no leaks yet. I bet even AMD doesn't know. Summer release worked fine for strix point, It can happen again. Release High-end in limited quantities in 2026 Q3-Q4, increase production and introduce lower end models in 2027 CESAFAIK there is no leak supporting this idea.
It seems the Medusa Point would be Q1 2027 followed by the rest of mobile later.
Pretty sure Strix was mid-24 due to Copilot+.it's a 2026-2027 prediction, obviously there's no leaks yet. I bet even AMD doesn't know. Summer release worked fine for strix point, It can happen again. Release High-end in limited quantities in 2026 Q3-Q4, increase production and introduce lower end models in 2027 CES
the cadence is fixed.ummer release worked fine for strix point, It can happen again
it was mid-24 because it was redefined like a zillion times.Pretty sure Strix was mid-24 due to Copilot+.
AFAIK there is no leak supporting this idea.
It seems the Medusa Point would be Q1 2027 followed by the rest of mobile later.
A Zen 6-based product should come late 2026 but, apparently, not the mobile Medusa Point. There is Zen 6-based Olympic Ridge (and/or Venice?) to fill that 2026 release window.As far as leaks, while not giving explicit dates, MLID talks about Medusa as 2026, implying Mid 2026.
2nd is, as @adroc_thurston says, cadence. The original goal has been 18 months, but it has slipped to ~24 months.
So, what you are suggesting that it will slip further to 30 months. There is nothing that would point to Zen 6 (as a core) and Zen 6 as a client CCD that would be high risk to blowing up the schedule. Quite the opposite. Few things that could have been high risk that are, instead low risk to schedule slippage:
- Zen 6 core is only incremental to Zen 5
- ring bus upgrade (to mesh) to support more cores - done
- mobos, socket - reusing existing ones - done
- new connectivity between chiplets - done in Strix Halo
- new IODs - template done in Strix Halo
A Zen 6-based product should come late 2026 but, apparently, not the mobile Medusa Point. There is Zen 6-based Olympic Ridge (and/or Venice?) to fill that 2026 release window.
As mobile is a notable source of income for AMD I've been a bit worried about that "rebrand-only" strategy.
They aren't.If the 24 month cadence is maintained, then 2 out of 3 need to be released in Mid 2026
I hoped for a N3 refresh filling the 2026 void but... AMD does irrational things like wasting their resources with "XT" desktops CPUs.I think your worry about "rebrand only" would be justified, if Zen 6 is not released in Mid 2026. It would open the door wide open to Intel, to stop and reverse market share gains.
IMO, if Zen 6 really were to be a 2027 product, AMD would be pressed to be releasing N3 based refresh of Zen 4 laptops. Absence of such a product, IMO, is indication of Zen 6 taking the baton from Zen 5 right on time in 2026.
AMD was so afraid of 3nm they split the lineup of Zen 5. Suddenly with Zen 6 they are willingly about to wait for acceptable 2nm yields with the whole lineup.I guess TSMC 2nm is the #1 staller
AMD was so afraid of 3nm they split the lineup of Zen 5. Suddenly with Zen 6 they are willingly about to wait for acceptable 2nm yields with the whole lineup.
It's not a yield thing.AMD was so afraid of 3nm they split the lineup of Zen 5. Suddenly with Zen 6 they are willingly about to wait for acceptable 2nm yields with the whole lineup.
it was mid-24 because it was redefined like a zillion times.
You can blame MS for having a truly schizophrenic set of AI PC targets.That sounds extremely dysfunctional