Question Upgrade from a AMD AM3+ to AM4 or AM5 chipset MB running W10?

videobruce · Friday at 7:59 AM

This is a AMD (which I have run since 1999) based system.
I was told (from a long time reliable source who set me up w/ my 1st PC in '99) it would be better to upgrade from a AM3+ to a AM4 chipset than the current AM5 due to possible hardware driver issues running W10 (either missing or not compatible due to more changes with M$ tiring to force one to move to W11).

I do NOT have any interest with W11, W10 is bad enough! I'm currently running W7. What do you guys think?

JackMDS · Friday at 2:54 PM

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However, if one use the Internet more than few minutes a day there is an issue pass the Hardware “love and hate ”.

Win 7 is Not really secure any more.

Win 10 still getting security updates but it is close to the end of doing so.

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An alternative approach to the "my OS soon won't be supported any more" problem?

With regard to Win10 soon not being supported any more, most of the time I present customers with "older" computers with 3 - 4 options: 1 - do nothing: I explain the downside of this approach mainly with regard to the security implications. 2 - an "unsupported PC" upgrade to Windows 11: I...

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mikeymikec · Friday at 3:18 PM

videobruce said:
This is a AMD (which I have run since 1999) based system.
I was told (from a long time reliable source who set me up w/ my 1st PC in '99) it would be better to upgrade from a AM3+ to a AM4 chipset than the current AM5 due to possible hardware driver issues running W10 (either missing or not compatible due to more changes with M$ tiring to force one to move to W11).

I do NOT have any interest with W11, W10 is bad enough! I'm currently running W7. What do you guys think?

Please can you explain the nature of the upgrade you're thinking of doing? I'm just wondering how "possible driver issues" come into play.

Personally I would treat them as two entirely separate PCs and copy across whatever personal data you need from the old one to the new one, installing any necessary apps on the new one, etc.

Windows 10 is supported with security updates until October 2025. If you're interested in maintaining optimal security then you should be thinking about Windows 11 rather than 10.

Another option if you're really not getting on with modern versions of Windows is to do what I did and migrate from Windows 7 to Linux. It depends on your requirements of course. I get by with most of my productivity apps running natively in Linux, one Windows app using Wine to work in Linux, a Windows virtual machine that does what I can't do with Wine, and I also dual-boot with Win11 purely for gaming.

manly · Friday at 3:26 PM

JackMDS said:
I have no knowledge about What and How others use computers.

However, if one use the Internet more than few minutes a day there is an issue pass the Hardware “love and hate ”.

Win 7 is Not really secure any more.

Win 10 still getting security updates but it is close to the end of doing so.

I recommend that you read this thread too.

An alternative approach to the "my OS soon won't be supported any more" problem?

With regard to Win10 soon not being supported any more, most of the time I present customers with "older" computers with 3 - 4 options: 1 - do nothing: I explain the downside of this approach mainly with regard to the security implications. 2 - an "unsupported PC" upgrade to Windows 11: I...

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Strongly agreed, running any unsupported OS online shouldn't be an option. After the year of extended updates (up to 3 years for businesses), the only caveat would be third-party support by 0patch. About $25 per year:

0patch will keep Windows 10 secure for at least five more years after Microsoft abandons it

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In2Photos · Friday at 4:22 PM

I have 2 AM5 systems running on Windows 10. There are no "driver issues".

videobruce · Friday at 5:58 PM

mikeymikec said:
Please can you explain the nature of the upgrade you're thinking of doing? I'm just wondering how "possible driver issues" come into play.

I believe he was referring to the 'nickle & dime' hardware (my term). USB, NIC's, SATA, Video, any of the other newer interfaces, Memory, MB chipsets, possible BIOS issues, older printers (of which I have two). ETC.

As to Linux, I did try that probably 10 or so years ago, Peppermint was the version. BUT, too many programs and devices (printers) that weren't supported (the reason most haven't switched over AFAIK).

My main concern is video editing, mid end. I'm not a 'gamer'. Now, editing a 60 minute 'clip', processing time is 30 minutes, 50% of the time of the clip. That's too long!

As to security, I'm concerned to a point, I'm NOT paranoid about it thou. I run BitMeter when the desktop is on, browser runner or not. I also have 'Process Hacker' available to check to see if any 'nasties' snuck in. (No it's NOT a "hacking" tool, really lame name).
I aslo do a system edit and move and combine the half a dozen locations of M$'s damn 'Temp' folder scattered around the O'S and move it to the root of 'C' where it's easy to find. You would be surprised where all the crap winds up, some of it specious.

mikeymikec · Saturday at 3:58 AM

videobruce said:
I believe he was referring to the 'nickle & dime' hardware (my term). USB, NIC's, SATA, Video, any of the other newer interfaces, Memory, MB chipsets, possible BIOS issues, older printers (of which I have two). ETC.

The only scenario that I would assume might be problematic is if you took an AM4 or AM5 system and attempted to set up Win7 on it. There's also an automatic update for Win7 that should be excluded which MS released to discourage users of newer hardware from using Win7 (I think the update prematurely stopped Windows updates on >2017 hardware).

videobruce · Saturday at 6:14 AM

W7 is out of the question, it's bad enough that I'm running it this long (based on many others commenting on it) but I wouldn't even consider putting new equipment knowing new hardware support would be a disaster.
I have had auto-update turned off when this PC was built! I have NO intention of 'fixing' M$'s crap changes over and over.

mikeymikec · Saturday at 6:50 AM

videobruce said:
W7 is out of the question, it's bad enough that I'm running it this long (based on many others commenting on it) but I wouldn't even consider putting new equipment knowing new hardware support would be a disaster.
I have had auto-update turned off when this PC was built! I have NO intention of 'fixing' M$'s crap changes over and over.

I've been recommending against Windows 7 in this thread because of the fact that it stopped receiving new security updates in January 2020, but since you decided long before that that you didn't want security updates (which IMO is a really bad idea, akin to throwing the baby out with the bathwater, especially since I can't remember there being a single issue with Windows 7's updates), I'm not sure what your problem with it is. There are other reasons not to choose Win7 such as third party software support though.

If I wanted Windows 7 on say an AM4 or newer rig I'd simply install it and not give it a product key until I've tested it a fair bit. The first hurdle AFAIK would be to get Win7 Setup to recognise a NVMe SSD, it will need a driver (if you went with a SATA SSD in AHCI mode, there wouldn't be any difficulty at that stage). My general feeling is that it will become obvious very quickly whether it's going to work out or not; I would either manage to get drivers installed for all the necessities or give it up as a bad job.

There's also a few tricks to installing drivers that were designed for newer versions of Windows, I had some "fun" recently getting Windows Server 2022 working on AM5 hardware.

Another option is to look into Windows 11 LTSC, it's an enterprise edition for admins who don't have any time for Microsoft's shenanigans. I imagine it's somewhat better behaved than Win10/11 Home/Pro.

igor_kavinski · Saturday at 8:38 AM

videobruce said:
My main concern is video editing, mid end. I'm not a 'gamer'. Now, editing a 60 minute 'clip', processing time is 30 minutes, 50% of the time of the clip. That's too long!

What software do you use for video editing?

You could use Adobe Premiere in Linux in a guest VM running Windows. Shotcut and Kdenlive running on Linux are also options for you.

Regarding processing time for editing videos, if you want the smoothest experience, I guess Mac Mini M4 would be the way to go. Also, if video editing is your only concern, I don't see why you can't tolerate Win11. You will be spending the majority of your time in the video editing software. Win11 stays mostly out of the way when you are working. It's only annoying when you try to use the OS because it's a hodgepodge of new and old UI screens.

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videobruce · Saturday at 12:54 PM

I didn't specifically state "security" regarding updates. When I made my W7 bootable USB drive using RT7 Lite, I added all the security updates (at the time) from M$'s website onto the instillation. It's all these other 'fixed' that I was concerned about and still are. Namely ones that break 3rd party programs that 'fix' M$ 'changing basic functions, namely the Start Menu for starters.

For video editing; _VideoEditorPlus v15, VideoReDo Studio v6 are my main programs.

Ok, just what is the Nvidia "tax" ??

igor_kavinski · Saturday at 1:03 PM

videobruce said:
Ok, just what is the Nvidia "tax" ??

Their cards are more expensive than the competition and software that uses CUDA (their proprietary API) can only run on Nvidia cards so you have no choice but to buy an expensive card (possibly under-powered compared to the competition at the same price).

I have a feeling that both of your video editing programs cannot use multiple cores so Ryzen 9600X and Core Ultra 245K are both good options for you. You may not see much improvement from going with more expensive CPUs.

Regarding Win11, you can try to look for a cheap license for Windows Server 2019 from some third party website or a seller on Amazon. It's pretty great if you don't need to do any gaming and the UI is super responsive as well as there is no bloat or unnecessary application breaking updates like in Win11.

videobruce · Saturday at 1:52 PM

I was planning to look at AMD for the video card, what you posted 'sealed the deal'.

While we are on the subject of nVidia, (which I have now), they made a drastic change x number of driver versions ago by placing numerous .exe's NOT related to the actual drivers in the same folder as the drivers. So when one uses DM to load new drivers, when you point to that 'Drivers" folder, DN loads all the other crap that isn't needed or wanted in one lump! The workaround is to scan thru that folder and either delete or re-name those non driver .exe's. I do so by re-naming the extension by adding "old" after the .exe retaining the original name in case it may be needed somehow.
Of course that is after I did a full UNinstall of what was just added. It's fairly easy to find the six letter extension.

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