8GB VRAM not enough (and 10 / 12)

BFG10K · Jul 13, 2021

8GB

Dying Light 2, Battlefield 2042, Avatar Frontiers of Pandora, Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3, Starfield, Forza Horizon 5, Horizon Forbidden West, Alan Wake 2, The Last of Us, Tekken 8, FC 24, Detroit Become Human, Death Stranding, Alone in The Dark, Overwatch 2
3060 12GB higher 1% low than 4060 8GB https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIfz57wmywg
Cyberpunk 2077, Diablo 4, Hogwarts Legacy, Horizon Zero Dawn, Microsoft Flight Sim 2020, Witcher 3, Watch Dogs Legion skip to 4K + DLSS for each game https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPiaWWd0xGc
Ratchet & Clank, Plague Tale Requiem, Last Of Us, Jedi Survivor, Far Cry 6, Hogwarts Legacy, Forza Horizon 5, Cyberpunk 2077 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wr3MckDxMfE&pp=ygUTMTZnYiB2cyA4Z2IgNDA2MCB0aQ==
Far Cry 6, Godfall, Hogwarts Legacy, Forza Horizon 5, Forspoken, Doom Eternal, Watchdogs Legion https://youtu.be/fJc--C01P90?t=268
Last Of Us, Resident Evil 4, Callisto Protocol, Plague Tale Requiem, Halo Infinite, Forspoken https://youtu.be/2_Y3E631ro8?t=429
Last Of Us, Hogwarts Legacy, Resident Evil 4, Forspoken, Plague Tale Requiem, Callisto Protocol https://youtu.be/Rh7kFgHe21k?t=288
Hogwarts Legacy, Last Of Us, Spider Man Remastered, Doom Eternal, Forza Horizon 5 https://youtu.be/R943CbDTq_s?t=1473
Horizon Forbidden West 4060 has issues @ 1080p + DLSS unless you switch off frame generation and reduce settings to high https://youtu.be/3AyKvI23VGw?t=233
Horizon Forbidden West 3070 requires reducing textures 2 notches https://youtu.be/xTwEGy6HHKo?t=351
Deathloop https://youtu.be/lu_XHyO-6zY?t=918
Ghost Recon Breakpoint https://youtu.be/iUGppQVpXzU?t=529
Resident Evil 2 https://youtu.be/Aa-gsgRjMII?t=796
Talos Principle 2 https://youtu.be/K6FATQAuEwI?t=337
Spider Man Remastered https://youtu.be/vRVR_plVSlc?t=1060
Witcher 3 https://youtu.be/vRVR_plVSlc?t=1240

Horizon Forbidden West 3060 is faster than the 2080 Super despite the former usually competing with the 2070. Also 3060 has a better 1% low than 4060 and 4060Ti 8GB.

Resident Evil Village 3060TI/3070 tanks at 4K and is slower than the 3060/6700XT when ray tracing:

Company Of Heroes 3060 has a higher minimum than the 3070TI:

10GB / 12GB

Plague Tale Requiem 3080 10GB tanks if you enable ray tracing, would be fast enough if it had more VRAM because if you stop moving, the framerate stabilizes to >60FPS https://youtu.be/7zjrMww3fAc?t=496
Hogwarts Legacy 4K + RT, 4060Ti 16GB is faster than 4070 12GB https://youtu.be/X-h_R488Mq8?t=191

Reasons why still shipping 8GB since 2014 isn't NV's fault.

It's the player's fault.
It's the reviewer's fault.
It's the developer's fault.
It's AMD's fault.
It's the game's fault.
It's the driver's fault.
It's a system configuration issue.
Wrong settings were tested.
Wrong area was tested.
Wrong games were tested.
4K is irrelevant.
Texture quality is irrelevant as long as it matches a console's.
Detail levels are irrelevant as long as they match a console's.
There's no reason a game should use more than 8GB, because a random forum user said so.
It's completely acceptable for the more expensive 3070/3070TI/3080 to turn down settings while the cheaper 3060/6700XT has no issue.
It's an anomaly.
It's a console port.
It's a conspiracy against NV.
8GB cards aren't meant for 4K / 1440p / 1080p / 720p gaming.
It's completely acceptable to disable ray tracing on NV while AMD has no issue.
Polls, hardware market share, and game title count are evidence 8GB is enough, but are totally ignored when they don't suit the ray tracing agenda.

According to some people here, 8GB is neeeevaaaaah NV's fault and objective evidence "doesn't count" because of reasons(tm). If you have others please let me know and I'll add them to the list. Cheers!

Mopetar · Friday at 7:33 PM

That is an interesting idea. I think the main impediment is that you need space on the card to plug such a drive into and most GPUs are covered in coolers and backplates leaving little room. Maybe there'd be room along the top of the card to attach some kind of module.

VRAM wouldn't really work. Part of the reason it's fast is that it's soldered. A socket really limits the transfer speed. However, something that's designed to be effectively read-only by the GPU while gaming could still work and it would be faster if it's on the GPU compared to having to go over the PCIe bus.

Having storage like that which the GPU could stream data from could offer some interesting possibilities. It works well if you play a small set of games and can store the complete texture data on the drive, but for anyone who rotates between a lot of games they'd need a large drive or would need to wait for the data to be transferred.

I think the only problem with it is that it would create an excuse to skimp on VRAM and require consumers to fork over another $100 minimum just to get acceptable performance.

GTracing · Friday at 8:27 PM

Mopetar said:
That is an interesting idea. I think the main impediment is that you need space on the card to plug such a drive into and most GPUs are covered in coolers and backplates leaving little room. Maybe there'd be room along the top of the card to attach some kind of module.

VRAM wouldn't really work. Part of the reason it's fast is that it's soldered. A socket really limits the transfer speed. However, something that's designed to be effectively read-only by the GPU while gaming could still work and it would be faster if it's on the GPU compared to having to go over the PCIe bus.

Having storage like that which the GPU could stream data from could offer some interesting possibilities. It works well if you play a small set of games and can store the complete texture data on the drive, but for anyone who rotates between a lot of games they'd need a large drive or would need to wait for the data to be transferred.

I think the only problem with it is that it would create an excuse to skimp on VRAM and require consumers to fork over another $100 minimum just to get acceptable performance.

AMD did make a card with an SSD on it. https://www.anandtech.com/show/11968/now-shipping-radeon-pro-wx-9100-and-ssg-with-new-drivers

psolord · 2025-03-31T04:20:32-0400

igor_kavinski said:
Reposting a lovely example of using the wrong "settings":

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If only the moronic reviewer had used the 4060 the way it was meant to be used. How else can anyone explain a card with less RAM bandwidth and lower GPU frequency from two generations ago, beating the 4060 to a pulp? It can't be anything else other than the wrong settings used, can it? (imagine an orangutan scratching its head)

This is once again, academic at best.

8GB cards can run Indiana Jones just fine and YES, you do need correct settings, which DO NOT mean ugly settings.

Here are two of my Indiana Jones very lengthy runs, on two of my 8GB cards. 3060ti and rx6600. Both 8GB, vastly different result, still playable still not ugly for both. (non monetized)

psolord · 2025-03-31T04:22:13-0400

igor_kavinski said:
More fodder for this thread!

5070 beats 3090 @ 1080p!

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@1440p too!

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BUT what is this????

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How does stinky two generations old 3090 come out ahead at 4K?

Must be the settings, yeah?

Nobody gets a 5070 for native 4K, get real please.

All this shows, is that the 5070 will be a very good 1440p/4k DLSS card.

igor_kavinski · 2025-03-31T08:55:04-0400

psolord said:
Nobody gets a 5070 for native 4K, get real please.

It shows a sad lack of progress by your favorite company. There is no reason a two gen old card should be beating the 5070.

What kind of message does this send to the 3090 owners? KEEP YOUR CARD!

Why is it so hard for you to admit that Nvidia is out to deprive gullible gamers of their hard earned money by giving them less than they deserve?

You have to come clean. How much Nvidia stock do you own? If you clearly say in your sig that you are a proud Nvidia shill, I have no problem with your shameless promotion of overpriced Nvidia cards.

blckgrffn · 2025-03-31T09:24:44-0400

psolord said:
This is once again, academic at best.

8GB cards can run Indiana Jones just fine and YES, you do need correct settings, which DO NOT mean ugly settings.

Here are two of my Indiana Jones very lengthy runs, on two of my 8GB cards. 3060ti and rx6600. Both 8GB, vastly different result, still playable still not ugly for both. (non monetized)

Haha, not mad to see you sticking to the bit here.

But these 1080p and not 2k/1440p results so they don’t interest me, personally. How’s it run at that resolution?

Mopetar · 2025-03-31T18:02:44-0400

psolord said:
This is once again, academic at best.

I'm not sure if you understand the meaning of the word. It's an actual game with settings that a user could easily run. Or is the 4060 a 720p card? What part of running a game at 1080p on a mid-range card is academic?

8GB cards can run Indiana Jones just fine and YES, you do need correct settings, which DO NOT mean ugly settings.

Congratulations for ignoring the entire point of this thread once again. Putting aside the subjectivity of what constitutes ugly, no one has ever claimed that you can't find some settings at which the game will run.

Please explain why both a 3060 and even a 2060 can run the game and get over 45 FPS on average while a 4060 struggles to get half as much. Is it a driver issue or something, because there must be some reason the newest generation card has worse performance.

Also would you care to make a wager as to whether the 5060 will perform better than the 2060 or 3060 when it comes out? I mean you'd think it would, it being a new generation card, unless there were driver problems or something like that. Maybe it'll have missing ROPs or something. Come to think of it, did anyone check if the 4060 is missing ROPs. Perhaps that explains the confusingly poor performance of the card.

Whatever could the problem be? Maybe some academics could assemble a team of their best minds to work it out.

Ranulf · 2025-03-31T18:38:55-0400

The cpu usage on both systems and the power usage for cpu and gpu are rather interesting. The 4770 seems to be holding its own compared to the 8600 but both cpu's dont seem to top out at more than 50% usage in the first few minutes. GPU power is amusing in that the 6600 card was holding at 100w power usage throughout the first 5 or so minutes I watched, the 3060ti hit 165w at one point at the river scene with the gun and whip interaction.

blckgrffn · 2025-04-01T01:25:00-0400

Ranulf said:
The cpu usage on both systems and the power usage for cpu and gpu are rather interesting. The 4770 seems to be holding its own compared to the 8600 but both cpu's dont seem to top out at more than 50% usage in the first few minutes. GPU power is amusing in that the 6600 card was holding at 100w power usage throughout the first 5 or so minutes I watched, the 3060ti hit 165w at one point at the river scene with the gun and whip interaction.

It’s weird, right? Like a piece of the puzzle is missing. If only the system had more of some resource, all of the other components stand ready to play it The Way It Was Meant To Be Played.

Mysterious.

marees · 2025-04-01T02:13:41-0400

blckgrffn said:
The Way It Was Meant To Be Played

TWIWMTBP*

*but only on 16gb cards

8GB VRAM not enough (and 10 / 12)

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