If Trump orders the military to attack Greenland do you consider that an illegal order?

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iRONic

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Shutter the Pituffik space base immediately and kick US to the curb!!

It’s “cold as shit” anyway.
 

APU_Fusion

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I'm trying to say the gulf between "Congress declares war to legally invade Greenland to satisfy Trump's ego" and "Nazis gas Jews" is not as wide as one might hope.
It is when addressing me and my statements. You are attempting to draw inference I would gas Jews with your bullshit strawman. I clearly made the statement I would not follow orders to attacks civilians etc. Fuck off.
 
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HomerJS

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Want a scary thought? I just looked up what is required for Congress to declare war. It’s a simple majority.

Republicans can give Trump his war with Greenland
 

K1052

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Want a scary thought? I just looked up what is required for Congress to declare war. It’s a simple majority.

Republicans can give Trump his war with Greenland

Most Euro countries would void our SOFAs practically overnight and PNG our ambassadors.
 

K1052

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Can you dumb that down for me?

Status Of Forces Agreements are what permit the US military to base and operate out of foreign nations like say Germany. If a host nation withdrew this it's basically them telling us to leave. I'm sure some would ask "How can they make us since we are so powerful". Well all these bases depend on a host of local services to keep fed, fueled, etc. For instance if the Germans turned off our jet fuel at Ramstein we'd be in deep shit.
 
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cytg111

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Most likely explanation for all this bullshit is that his case officer, Putin, stroke a "deal" with him about dividing up interest on the board and that Greenland was part of this "deal".
So basically Trump will feel weak in front of Putin if he doesnt take Greenland.
 
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SteveGrabowski

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I’m hoping members of the military vote on this. If you consider it illegal would you resign or refuse to follow it?

I’m interested if anyone has knowledge on this. You can change your mind later after initial vote
Aren't your choices basically (1) follow the order (2) go to jail or (3) fire on your superior?
 

Moonbeam

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My question is whether Trump gives a damn about the acquisition of Greenland as much as the thrill of disturbing the piece of mind of millions and millions of people. Seems to me he could just be screaming, "Look at me now, Daddy. Do I look like the insignificant nobody you said I was? Look at how many people I can fuck over and how much chaos I can create because of you!"
 
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Invading an independent state to annex its territory to the US should never happen but if it does it should only be as a declared war following a declaration of war by Congress. Absent the declaration of war it is in an unconstitutional order.
Agreed however post 9/11 Congress appears to have abandoned that duty and have delegated that to the President. See Afghanistan, Iraq.
 

Fenixgoon

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Agreed however post 9/11 Congress appears to have abandoned that duty and have delegated that to the President. See Afghanistan, Iraq.
I'd hope after our overseas adventures and disasters there, we'd have the hindsight to know pure that military imperialism is folly. Economics and diplomacy, backed by a strong security compact (e g. NATO) is vastly superior.

After all, we invaded Iraq on a lie. We should learn from that, and i hope American history books in the future years crucify us for that decision. That's part of the reason i am so anti-invading-greenland in this thread even if Congress legally declares it. Because we toppled a nation, killed ~200,000 (including civilians) , displaced millions, and spent trillions of dollars. On a lie.
 
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I'd hope after our overseas adventures and disasters there, we'd have the hindsight to know pure that military imperialism is folly. Economics and diplomacy, backed by a strong security compact (e g. NATO) is vastly superior.

After all, we invaded Iraq on a lie. We should learn from that, and i hope American history books in the future years crucify us for that decision. That's part of the reason i am so anti-invading-greenland in this thread even if Congress legally declares it. Because we toppled a nation, killed ~200,000 (including civilians) , displaced millions, and spent trillions of dollars. On a lie.
And that’s the rub. Congress doesn’t want to be called pussies and congress doesn’t want to be called liars, it is easier to keep doing what they have been doing and give the President all the leeway the President wants.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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Aren't your choices basically (1) follow the order (2) go to jail or (3) fire on your superior?
In normal world military? No, there's other avenues however they all suck and generally result in the end of your career one way or another. Bizzaro invade Canada world? Maybe.
 

Moonbeam

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I believe that the psychopathy gripping our nation is the product of one man. All the cowards who back him up do so because he promises they can hide behind his skirts. If he were to die for any reason I think the whole thing will peter out. What animates conservatives is fear. Without Trump's shadow to hide under, his enablers would scatter like cockroaches in the presence of any real impending consequences. We aren't talking men here. They are garbage. Actions have consequences and one does not have to be guilty of sin. You just have to act out to require being stopping. My opinion.
 
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BoomerD

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Illegal how? If the president of the USA orders it, NOT illegal by US law. Potentially illegal and worthy of getting hauled to the Hague? Absolutely.
 
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WelshBloke

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It is when addressing me and my statements. You are attempting to draw inference I would gas Jews with your bullshit strawman. I clearly made the statement I would not follow orders to attacks civilians etc. Fuck off.
Not dogging on you and I understand your position but would you be expecting to invade Canada and occupy it with no civilian casualties? Surely participating in the invasion and occupation of a country is attacking civilians?
 
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