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fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
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If this is allowed this gives Trump the literal power to send any US citizen to an overseas torture prison for the rest of their lives without recourse.

How is that, you ask? Well if they claim you’re not a citizen they are also claiming you get no due process. That means if you ARE a citizen you have no chance to prove it. Then, once you’re in an overseas torture prison it is no longer a legal matter but a political and foreign policy one so that’s up to the president.

Seems bad!
 

brycejones

Lifer
Oct 18, 2005
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If this is allowed this gives Trump the literal power to send any US citizen to an overseas torture prison for the rest of their lives without recourse.

How is that, you ask? Well if they claim you’re not a citizen they are also claiming you get no due process. That means if you ARE a citizen you have no chance to prove it. Then, once you’re in an overseas torture prison it is no longer a legal matter but a political and foreign policy one so that’s up to the president.

Seems bad!
yeah but no freedoms have been lost right @Greenman?
 

ch33zw1z

Lifer
Nov 4, 2004
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yeah but no freedoms have been lost right @Greenman?
If this is allowed this gives Trump the literal power to send any US citizen to an overseas torture prison for the rest of their lives without recourse.

How is that, you ask? Well if they claim you’re not a citizen they are also claiming you get no due process. That means if you ARE a citizen you have no chance to prove it. Then, once you’re in an overseas torture prison it is no longer a legal matter but a political and foreign policy one so that’s up to the president.

Seems bad!

@pcgeek11 , @FelixDeCat , @brandonbull , @imported_tajmahal

Whats up with this, is this the vision of america youve been voting for?

Fwiw, its not “if” at this stage, the admin blatantly ignoring court orders and disappearing people to foreign prisons deemed “torture” prisons.
 
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fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
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@pcgeek11 , @FelixDeCat , @brandonbull , @imported_tajmahal

Whats up with this, is this the vision of america youve been voting for?

Fwiw, its not “if” at this stage, the admin blatantly ignoring court orders and disappearing people to foreign prisons deemed “torture” prisons.
For what it’s worth if they do respond they will just say it’s not true. When you ask them to show their work as to why it’s not true they will refuse.
 
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K1052

Elite Member
Aug 21, 2003
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If this is allowed this gives Trump the literal power to send any US citizen to an overseas torture prison for the rest of their lives without recourse.

How is that, you ask? Well if they claim you’re not a citizen they are also claiming you get no due process. That means if you ARE a citizen you have no chance to prove it. Then, once you’re in an overseas torture prison it is no longer a legal matter but a political and foreign policy one so that’s up to the president.

Seems bad!

Trump is basically running down the checklist of complaints contained within the Declaration of Independence that made British subjects say "Fuck that, die assholes" to King George.
 

FelixDeCat

Lifer
Aug 4, 2000
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@pcgeek11 , @FelixDeCat , @brandonbull , @imported_tajmahal

Whats up with this, is this the vision of america youve been voting for?

Fwiw, its not “if” at this stage, the admin blatantly ignoring court orders and disappearing people to foreign prisons deemed “torture” prisons.
Why do love criminal illegal aliens? Donny Two Scoops is just taking out the trash.

Sure he is crazy as a 3.00 bill, but Americans were fed up with Democrats plan to flood the streets with millions more illegals beyond the millions they let in and many do not even speak English.

I mean seriously, thats the only reason Kamlah lost, illegal immigration.
 
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ch33zw1z

Lifer
Nov 4, 2004
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Why do love criminal illegal aliens? Donny Two Scoops is just taking out the trash.

Sure he is crazy as a 3.00 bill, but Americans were fed up with Democrats plan to flood the streets with millions more illegals beyond the millions they let in and many do not even speak English.

I mean seriously, thats the only reason Kamlah lost, illegal immigration.

Nice strawman, as @fskimospy pointed out, you did exactly as expected
 
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Indus

Lifer
May 11, 2002
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Why do love criminal illegal aliens? Donny Two Scoops is just taking out the trash.

Sure he is crazy as a 3.00 bill, but Americans were fed up with Democrats plan to flood the streets with millions more illegals beyond the millions they let in and many do not even speak English.

I mean seriously, thats the only reason Kamlah lost, illegal immigration.

So you're saying the people love the dems but not the illegal aliens?

That's the dems only problem?

Got it!
 

fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
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Why do love criminal illegal aliens? Donny Two Scoops is just taking out the trash.

Sure he is crazy as a 3.00 bill, but Americans were fed up with Democrats plan to flood the streets with millions more illegals beyond the millions they let in and many do not even speak English.

I mean seriously, thats the only reason Kamlah lost, illegal immigration.
This individual was not a criminal. The government is not even attempting to demonstrate that these individuals are criminals either.

Want to try again?
 

brycejones

Lifer
Oct 18, 2005
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Why do love criminal illegal aliens? Donny Two Scoops is just taking out the trash.

Sure he is crazy as a 3.00 bill, but Americans were fed up with Democrats plan to flood the streets with millions more illegals beyond the millions they let in and many do not even speak English.

I mean seriously, thats the only reason Kamlah lost, illegal immigration.
Except the person involved this case wasn’t illegal and wasn’t a criminal.

So yeah, you went straight to lying.
 

IronWing

No Lifer
Jul 20, 2001
71,730
31,671
136
Why do love criminal illegal aliens? Donny Two Scoops is just taking out the trash.

Sure he is crazy as a 3.00 bill, but Americans were fed up with Democrats plan to flood the streets with millions more illegals beyond the millions they let in and many do not even speak English.

I mean seriously, thats the only reason Kamlah lost, illegal immigration.
Fuck off, traitor.
 

FelixDeCat

Lifer
Aug 4, 2000
30,412
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Nice strawman, as @fskimospy pointed out, you did exactly as expected
So you're saying the people love the dems but not the illegal aliens?

That's the dems only problem?

Got it!
Except the person involved this case wasn’t illegal and wasn’t a criminal.

So yeah, you went straight to lying.
I was listening to liberals on Sirius XM on the drive home. They were trying to figure out why Democrats are lost and rudderless right now and why they lost.

Their conclusions were:

- Allowing illegal immigration to get so out of control the last four years, Americans were willing to vote for Don.

- Not effectively cracking down on criminals when they ran rampant nationwide but notably on the liberal coasts, doing smash and grabs, robbing trains and letting criminal illegals take the headlines with transnational gangs doing whatever they wanted

- Experimenting with lax drug enforcement like open air phentanyl markets in San Fran. Seattle and Philly, liberal strong holds

- Not backing police in said cities and let criminals out on low to no bail

But hey, these are all strawman arguments, right?

Get ready for 20 more years of Republican rule until Democrats figure it out and LISTEN to actual Americans!
 
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fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
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I was listening to liberals on Sirius XM on the drive home. They were trying to figure out why Democrats are lost and rudderless right now and why they lost.

Their conclusions were:

- Allowing illegal immigration to get so out of control the last four years, Americans were willing to vote for Don.

- Not effectively cracking down on criminals when they ran rampant nationwide but notably on the liberal coasts, doing smash and grabs, robbing trains and letting criminal illegals take the headlines with transnational gangs doing whatever they wanted

- Experimenting with lax drug enforcement like open air phentanyl markets in San Fran. Seattle and Philly, liberal strong holds

- Not backing police in said cities and let criminals out on low to no bail

But hey, these are all strawman arguments, right?

Get ready for 20 more years of Republican rule until Democrats figure it out and LISTEN to actual Americans!
This has nothing to do with the topic. How do you feel about the government deporting innocent people here legally with no due process?

Is that bad?
 

brycejones

Lifer
Oct 18, 2005
28,911
28,904
136
I was listening to liberals on Sirius XM on the drive home. They were trying to figure out why Democrats are lost and rudderless right now and why they lost.

Their conclusions were:

- Allowing illegal immigration to get so out of control the last four years, Americans were willing to vote for Don.

- Not effectively cracking down on criminals when they ran rampant nationwide but notably on the liberal coasts, doing smash and grabs, robbing trains and letting criminal illegals take the headlines with transnational gangs doing whatever they wanted

- Experimenting with lax drug enforcement like open air phentanyl markets in San Fran. Seattle and Philly, liberal strong holds

- Not backing police in said cities and let criminals out on low to no bail

But hey, these are all strawman arguments, right?

Get ready for 20 more years of Republican rule until Democrats figure it out and LISTEN to actual Americans!
Strike two.

You failed once again to address the topic at hand.

Try again.
 
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Pohemi

Lifer
Oct 2, 2004
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Why do love criminal illegal aliens? Donny Two Scoops is just taking out the trash.

Sure he is crazy as a 3.00 bill, but Americans were fed up with Democrats plan to flood the streets with millions more illegals beyond the millions they let in and many do not even speak English.

I mean seriously, thats the only reason Kamlah lost, illegal immigration.

Continually disingenuous. You can't make a point without lying and misrepresentation.

Fuck off, traitor.
 

outriding

Diamond Member
Feb 20, 2002
3,886
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I was listening to liberals on Sirius XM on the drive home. They were trying to figure out why Democrats are lost and rudderless right now and why they lost.

Their conclusions were:

- Allowing illegal immigration to get so out of control the last four years, Americans were willing to vote for Don.

- Not effectively cracking down on criminals when they ran rampant nationwide but notably on the liberal coasts, doing smash and grabs, robbing trains and letting criminal illegals take the headlines with transnational gangs doing whatever they wanted

- Experimenting with lax drug enforcement like open air phentanyl markets in San Fran. Seattle and Philly, liberal strong holds

- Not backing police in said cities and let criminals out on low to no bail

But hey, these are all strawman arguments, right?

Get ready for 20 more years of Republican rule until Democrats figure it out and LISTEN to actual

Answer the fucking question
 

ch33zw1z

Lifer
Nov 4, 2004
38,995
19,671
146
I was listening to liberals on Sirius XM on the drive home. They were trying to figure out why Democrats are lost and rudderless right now and why they lost.

Their conclusions were:

- Allowing illegal immigration to get so out of control the last four years, Americans were willing to vote for Don.

- Not effectively cracking down on criminals when they ran rampant nationwide but notably on the liberal coasts, doing smash and grabs, robbing trains and letting criminal illegals take the headlines with transnational gangs doing whatever they wanted

- Experimenting with lax drug enforcement like open air phentanyl markets in San Fran. Seattle and Philly, liberal strong holds

- Not backing police in said cities and let criminals out on low to no bail

But hey, these are all strawman arguments, right?

Get ready for 20 more years of Republican rule until Democrats figure it out and LISTEN to actual Americans!

This is both red herring and strawman all in one. Not surprising, as its considered “intelligent “ in conservative circles to rely on logical fallacies to keep the rubes distracted.
 
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Indus

Lifer
May 11, 2002
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@FelixDeCat fine I'll bite and try to explain something in laymen's terms to you where it effects you.

Remember this??


The US is a service based economy. Pharmacies need people. Trips to the doctor need people. Deliveries need people. Road construction needs people. Flipping burgers, caregiving, whatever, health and social care require people. All need people of employable age.

Florida is home to retirees so deporting migrant labor is finding yourself in a hole and then digging deeper. If you get rid of the immigrants because you don't like their skin color or whatever.. then you start to scrape the bottom of the barrel and put your own kids at risk..

Demographics is like betting against the house. In the long run you can’t win. Make the kids work? Sure, and when you run out of 14 and 15 year olds then what? 12 years and above? 10 years?

And you want to bring manufacturing back.. well that requires people too or you can admit the long term the solution is robots, but then who pays the taxes which feed our military industrial complex, our armies and navy and air force that help us project power overseas?

The reliance on robots and AI solutions puts a further burden on the already struggling energy sector. All that extra power needs to come from somewhere. And Trump/ MAGA have outlawed solar/ wind/ hydro farms which then accelerates climate change.

Oh not to mention you need people to dig the coal out. It's an absolute mess.

I'm curious what your solution is to the demographic problem of replacing skilled migrant workers.

So what do you want to do? Just shift all the old people to El Salvador. Tell them its a made by MAGA super max retirement village in the Everglades??




BTW Hungary passed what was dubbed the ‘slavery law’ a few years back giving employers the right to demand staff do compulsory overtime but defer paying for it for three years. This was done to keep non-EU immigration low. But look at their debt levels now.. and you scream about debt a lot IIRC! So what's your solution??
 
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IronWing

No Lifer
Jul 20, 2001
71,730
31,671
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I was listening to liberals on Sirius XM on the drive home. They were trying to figure out why Democrats are lost and rudderless right now and why they lost.

Their conclusions were:

- Allowing illegal immigration to get so out of control the last four years, Americans were willing to vote for Don.

- Not effectively cracking down on criminals when they ran rampant nationwide but notably on the liberal coasts, doing smash and grabs, robbing trains and letting criminal illegals take the headlines with transnational gangs doing whatever they wanted

- Experimenting with lax drug enforcement like open air phentanyl markets in San Fran. Seattle and Philly, liberal strong holds

- Not backing police in said cities and let criminals out on low to no bail

But hey, these are all strawman arguments, right?

Get ready for 20 more years of Republican rule until Democrats figure it out and LISTEN to actual Americans!
Fuck off, traitor.
 
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MrSquished

Lifer
Jan 14, 2013
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I say we pay for Felix to get a nice deep spray tan and some hispanic looking tattoos and then keep calling ICE on him and tell them his name used to be Hernando the Gangbanger, but now he goes by Felix the Cat.

Let's get this piece of human filth sent to El Salvador. Help make america better again - by removing one shitty MAGAT at a time.
 
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K1052

Elite Member
Aug 21, 2003
50,860
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As Trump ramps up to a May 1 deadline for Iran to come to some kind of agreement the Iranians threaten to build the bomb.

The only way to really stop them would be a ground invasion which I doubt we could gear up in time.


 
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