Discussion Intel Meteor, Arrow, Lunar & Panther Lakes Discussion Threads

Tigerick · Aug 22, 2022

As Hot Chips 34 starting this week, Intel will unveil technical information of upcoming Meteor Lake (MTL) and Arrow Lake (ARL), new generation platform after Raptor Lake. Both MTL and ARL represent new direction which Intel will move to multiple chiplets and combine as one SoC platform.

MTL also represents new compute tile that based on Intel 4 process which is based on EUV lithography, a first from Intel. Intel expects to ship MTL mobile SoC in 2023.

ARL will come after MTL so Intel should be shipping it in 2024, that is what Intel roadmap is telling us. ARL compute tile will be manufactured by Intel 20A process, a first from Intel to use GAA transistors called RibbonFET.

Comparison of upcoming Intel's U-series CPU: Core Ultra 100U, Lunar Lake and Panther Lake

Model	Code-Name	Date	TDP	Node	Tiles	Main Tile	CPU	LP E-Core	LLC	GPU	Xe-cores
Core Ultra 100U	Meteor Lake	Q4 2023	15 - 57 W	Intel 4 + N5 + N6	4	tCPU	2P + 8E	2	12 MB	Intel Graphics	4
?	Lunar Lake	Q4 2024	17 - 30 W	N3B + N6	2	CPU + GPU & IMC	4P + 4E	0	12 MB	Arc	8
?	Panther Lake	Q1 2026 ?	?	Intel 18A + N3E	3	CPU + MC	4P + 8E	4	?	Arc	12

Comparison of die size of Each Tile of Meteor Lake, Arrow Lake, Lunar Lake and Panther Lake

	Meteor Lake	Arrow Lake (N3B)	Lunar Lake	Panther Lake
Platform	Mobile H/U Only	Desktop & Mobile H&HX	Mobile U Only	Mobile H
Process Node	Intel 4	TSMC N3B	TSMC N3B	Intel 18A
Date	Q4 2023	Desktop-Q4-2024 H&HX-Q1-2025	Q4 2024	Q1 2026 ?
Full Die	6P + 8P	8P + 16E	4P + 4E	4P + 8E
LLC	24 MB	36 MB ?	12 MB	?
tCPU	66.48
tGPU	44.45
SoC	96.77
IOE	44.45
Total	252.15

Intel Core Ultra 100 - Meteor Lake

As mentioned by Tomshardware, TSMC will manufacture the I/O, SoC, and GPU tiles. That means Intel will manufacture only the CPU and Foveros tiles. (Notably, Intel calls the I/O tile an 'I/O Expander,' hence the IOE moniker.)

Win2012R2 · 2025-04-02T05:52:40-0400

Krteq said:
Yep, Panther Lake is officially "rescheduled" for 2026

So 18A isn't that healthy then.

511 · 2025-04-02T08:11:35-0400

Their CEO said Yesterday that Panther Lake is launching on 18A in H2 25 looked like the entire management is clueless 🤣 they should not be called management but clowns

dullard · 2025-04-02T09:44:37-0400

18A is now in risk production: meaning designs for the initial chips are locked down and Intel is ramping up the ability to mass produce it (from hundreds of chips per day to tens of thousands per day).

Panther Lake will be sold by Intel to Intel's customers in H2 2025 (laptop manufacturers). But, since laptops take time to optimize they are likely not going to be released to the public until 2026. This timing is up to the manufacturers of the laptops--not Intel. So, while Intel will launch it in 2025, we won't likely get it in 2025. Exactly the same thing that happened many times over the last few years.

511 · 2025-04-02T11:45:11-0400

dullard said:
18A is now in risk production: meaning designs for the initial chips are locked down and Intel is ramping up the ability to mass produce it (from hundreds of chips per day to tens of thousands per day).

Panther Lake will be sold by Intel to Intel's customers in H2 2025 (laptop manufacturers). But, since laptops take time to optimize they are likely not going to be released to the public until 2026. This timing is up to the manufacturers of the laptops--not Intel. So, while Intel will launch it in 2025, we won't likely get it in 2025. Exactly the same thing that happened many times over the last few years.

WE will have 3-4 Panther Lake model to buy this year at best I guess.

igor_kavinski · 2025-04-02T11:58:18-0400

511 said:
WE will have 3-4 Panther Lake model to buy this year at best I guess.

Not like Lunar Lake is widely available. Most Amazon listings are for Raptor/Alder Lake laptops. They need maybe a year to ramp up production for LAST year's mobile chip. It's also possible that Microsoft bought up all the good dies for Lunar Lake for their Surface line, after the major disappointment of Snapdragon Elite.

GTracing · 2025-04-02T12:06:21-0400

igor_kavinski said:
Not like Lunar Lake is widely available. Most Amazon listings are for Raptor/Alder Lake laptops. They need maybe a year to ramp up production for LAST year's mobile chip. It's also possible that Microsoft bought up all the good dies for Lunar Lake for their Surface line, after the major disappointment of Snapdragon Elite.

Lunar Lake is in over 40 different devices. https://www.ultrabookreview.com/69679-intel-lunar-lake-laptops/

How many options does it need to be considered widely available?

igor_kavinski · 2025-04-02T12:32:33-0400

GTracing said:
How many options does it need to be considered widely available?

It's not the models. It's the quantity. Meteor Lake is available almost like 100:1 compared to Lunar Lake. Something like 20:1 would be acceptable. And with reduced availability comes the artificially high prices.

Markfw · 2025-04-02T12:40:15-0400

igor_kavinski said:
It's not the models. It's the quantity. Meteor Lake is available almost like 100:1 compared to Lunar Lake. Something like 20:1 would be acceptable. And with reduced availability comes the artificially high prices.

I could be wrong, but is it something like "Intel wants to dump all meteor lake first before introducing new models that are better in all regards" ??

GTracing · 2025-04-02T12:47:22-0400

igor_kavinski said:
It's not the models. It's the quantity. Meteor Lake is available almost like 100:1 compared to Lunar Lake. Something like 20:1 would be acceptable. And with reduced availability comes the artificially high prices.

You got a source on that 100:1 number? That's crazy if true.

And pricing on Lunar Lake devices is good in the US at least. Better than X Elite laptops.

igor_kavinski · 2025-04-02T13:10:59-0400

GTracing said:
You got a source on that 100:1 number? That's crazy if true.

Just what I'm seeing searching on my local Amazon.ae

DKR · 2025-04-02T21:37:20-0400

Interesting conversation here

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