The Trump Tariffs thread

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Muse

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God I hate this stupid country. Already considered US citizenship a curse from birth back when Biden was president but now it feels like an early death sentence since we're surely going into another Great Depression.
It does look like a recession is kind of inevitable right now. I do wonder if it's possible we come out of it before the next general election (2028). That would be a recession of extra-long duration, vying with the 2008 Great Recession. This vying with the Great Depression does seem unlikely because that lasted from 1929 to WW II.
 

Muse

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I do not understand what's going on. Before today the S&P 500 had 3 up days in a row, white candles. What were people thinking? It was common knowledge that tariffs were "scheduled" to be levied yesterday. Why April 2 instead of April 1? My thought FWIW is that Trump didn't want his actions to be declared to be that of an April fool (which, of course, he will be for the whole month). He waited for the US stock markets to close before making the announcements yesterday. World wide stock markets plunged, the American ones followed suit today. Why didn't investors see this coming?
 

JTsyo

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They released their equation for the tariff calculation but have one variable set to 4 and another set to 0.25 so it ends up just being a ratio of imports to exports.

 

fskimospy

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You give Trump way too much benefit of the doubt when you treat this as a trade war rather than a massive socialized tax. His explanations are stupid because they're some bullshit he makes up to pretend this isn't just a tax hike on all of us.
I don't really think it's a tax or a trade war - I think it's an attempt to set up a patronage scheme where he raises or lowers tariffs based on how much you do what he wants.
 

SteveGrabowski

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It does look like a recession is kind of inevitable right now. I do wonder if it's possible we come out of it before the next general election (2028). That would be a recession of extra-long duration, vying with the 2008 Great Recession. This vying with the Great Depression does seem unlikely because that lasted from 1929 to WW II.
Recessions are inevitable when the GOP gets into power since they cut government spending to fund tax breaks for the oligarchs but this is on a scale way larger than we have seen before plus they're combined with tariffs that are much higher than the Smoot-Hawley tariffs that devastated the nation, so I'm expecting Great Depression 2.0. After 25 years of massive inflation in medical and educational costs and 5 years of massive inflation on home prices and groceries cheap consumer goods were all the US had going for it, and now those will be hit by 54% tariffs. This is going to be such a clusterfuck.
 

SteveGrabowski

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I do not understand what's going on. Before today the S&P 500 had 3 up days in a row, white candles. What were people thinking? It was common knowledge that tariffs were "scheduled" to be levied yesterday. Why April 2 instead of April 1? My thought FWIW is that Trump didn't want his actions to be declared to be that of an April fool (which, of course, he will be for the whole month). He waited for the US stock markets to close before making the announcements yesterday. World wide stock markets plunged, the American ones followed suit today. Why didn't investors see this coming?
Leopards and faces something something
 

fskimospy

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Whenever Trump threatens to do something psychotic he follows through. Wonder how long it's going to be before we have boots on the ground in Greenland, Mexico, and Iran.
I think you seriously underestimate how many psychotic things he says. There are lots of insane ones he doesn't follow through on.

Generally speaking I've found he's pretty reliable when he's talking about something racist because his racism appears to be one of his few genuinely held beliefs. Other than that, not a lot.
 

emperus

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I'm laughing here but it is so insane.

The President used AI to formulate a tariff policy that has Global Repercussions and is crashing our Economy.
This is our government.
 

Muse

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I wouldn’t be surprised if the bulk of short positions are held by the President’s own cabinet.
Well, maybe not the bulk but I heard that he's hired a lot of billionaires for cabinet positions. There are billionaires and there are BILLIONAIRES! Nobody needs a billion dollars, people.
 
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Muse

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I’m mostly stocking up on .556 and consumables.

We’ve replaced all of our appliances/electronic devices in the last year or so. Replacing the car is gonna suck hard, but we are prepared to take the hit.

I’m realllllly hoping my family gets dissuaded from dragging me to Orlando this summer. If we can get priced out of the Disney money pit I’ll consider that a massive silver lining.
My 1997 Japanese sedan, which I seldom drive (1000mi/year ballpark, 36k total) had check engine light come on in December. Brought to a recommended Japanese car specialty shop who quoted me almost $7000 to fix the laundry list of malfunctioning stuff. I could have sold it to the state for $1200 and shopped for another car, I have the money, but I didn't have an idea of what I wanted in a replacement car, so I had them do the work.
 

MrSquished

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oh man the fucknuts on CNBC are such scheisters. they call this out but then end their analysis with things like, it's about time that the Trump administration, the common sense administration, at least admit this is about trade deficits... blah blah blah

I wish I could reach through the screen and punch all these corrupt pieces of shit that are all complicit with this entire shit show.
 

Indus

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oh man the fucknuts on CNBC are such scheisters. they call this out but then end their analysis with things like, it's about time that the Trump administration, the common sense administration, at least admit this is about trade deficits... blah blah blah

I wish I could reach through the screen and punch all these corrupt pieces of shit that are all complicit with this entire shit show.

You watch Tom Lee yet??

Paraphrasing his quote: Brexit was a good thing for Britain and it's financially sound.. showed us putting up export barriers is good for the British Economy.
 

nOOky

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I read an interesting piece this morning that claims Trumps tariffs aren't about money or the economy. Rather they are a method of control. Basically any college or country or big business that caves to Trump will always be controlled by him because on a whim he can threaten them and they will alter their behavior to suit him. Universities will cave and businesses will cave and end any DEI programs he doesn't like etc. Any countries that cave under the economic pressure are screwed the same way.

Makes sense to me, and when he has control of everything he will manipulate things thus altering the landscape of the country. We are fucked, too bad the Republicans are fucking cowards.
 

Muse

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The market crash exposes another big issue here - clearly the markets assumed Trump was lying about these tariffs or they would have been more priced in at this point.

The markets aren't wrong to have thought he was lying as, well, he lies about everything, but every once in a while he follows through and people are unprepared.
OK, so you figure the market figured he'd call off the tariffs he said he'd implement yesterday? I was watching for signs of his usual brinksmanship but it didn't happen and here we are, for the moment, but I can't imagine him calling all this off at the moment because it would be a sign of cowardess, concession, an admission of failure and we know he avoids that at all costs. He'd rather spin it with bullshit hyperbole saying we're headed for the greatest boom in American history.
 

balloonshark

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Is this just a giant trump tariff tax on everyone and everything so the rich don't have to pay taxes?

This is what happens when a political party doesn't hold their own party accountable and doesn't tax their rich enough so they accumulate enough wealth to purchase a government only friendly to the wealthy.
 

Muse

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I'm laughing here but it is so insane.

The President used AI to formulate a tariff policy that has Global Repercussions and is crashing our Economy.
This is our government.
We've been continually warned for years that AI can have very negative consequences if badly implemented.
 
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