It is time for Congress to impeach Trump

MtnMan

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Trump has blatantly ignored the Supreme Court of the United States, by ignoring their ruling that Trump must ensure the return of an American Citizen illegally sent to a torture prison in El Salvador.

But sadly, the republican members of the House will roll over like the whipped dogs they are, and sing his praises. There must be a method for the people to remove elected representatives that refuse to uphold the Constitution the took an oath to defend.


 

MtnMan

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Legal resident, not American citizen, no?
I mean, mostly moot as that's not what this is about, and it's probably not long before an American citizen gets the same treatment (given that they keep on talking about how American citizens are next)
As such, he has the same protections under the US Constitution, just like you, except Trump can also ship you off to El Salvador in the middle of the night, and "disappear you"

Remember that old thing… When they came for the .... I was silent? yada... yada...

Fucking pay attention!

 

nakedfrog

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As such, he has the same protections under the US Constitution, just like you, except Trump can also ship you off to El Salvador in the middle of the night, and "disappear you"

Remember that old thing… When they came for the .... I was silent? yada... yada...

Fucking pay attention!

You don't fuckin' have to tell me about "First they came" dude, I literally write protest music. I feel like you didn't even bother to read my whole post where I literally say American citizens are next.

(Among other references I've made to it recently, including a picture of a memorial)
 

UNCjigga

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I just can’t fathom how we got to a point that we can punish the people complying with ICE and afforded protected status.

No, Abrego Garcia was not a US citizen or permanent resident. He entered the country illegally at age 16 after fleeing gang activity. His family owned the most popular pupuseria in their town in El Salvador, and local gangs took notice and ran a protection racket. The family paid protection money to Barrio 18, but when they tried to violently recruit Abrego Garcia’s older brother, things took a turn. The gang kept harassing them, to the point they closed up shop, left town, and eventually were forced to Guatemala, where the gang continued to harass them.

His brother fled to the US first, was granted asylum, and eventually became an American citizen. Abrego Garcia was forced to flee when the gang turned its sights on him. He should have followed the same path to citizenship as his brother, but as fate would have it, he was arrested in an ICE sweep at a Home Depot while looking for work. While in jail, a police CI claimed he was an MS-13 member from NYC. Abrego Garcia has never lived in NYC, but he was photographed on a public basketball court with alleged gang members and at a Salvadoran restaurant frequented by gang members. Apparently that was enough to be denied release and eventually denied asylum. He was eventually released and a judge ruled he could not be forcefully removed to El Salvador for reasonable fear for his life based on being targeted by the gang. But he was issued a work permit and allowed to live in Maryland as a documented alien and he checked in regularly with ICE as per his release requirements.

So cliff’s notes—a police CI with a previously decent track record somehow misidentified Abrego Garcia as an MS-13 member, which cost him the same legal path to citizenship as his brother. He was allowed to stay and work in the country even after his asylum was denied, got married, had kids, worked legally, and checked in with Immigration regularly, but was still picked up by ICE in March after Trump branded MS-13 a terrorist org.

Essentially, following the rules and not being a criminal made him an easier target.
 
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MtnMan

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If impeaching Trump was even remotely possible with republicans we wouldn’t be in this mess to begin with as Trump would have been impeached in his first term and removed and never being able to run again.
I bet that if the Senators that failed to convict him then could have a do-over, he would have been convicted.
 
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MtnMan

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Well, this is getting way off track....

The point of the tread is about Trump telling the Supreme Court of the United States to fuck off! That demands he be impeached!

 
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nakedfrog

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Well, this is getting way off track....

The point of the tread is about Trump telling the Supreme Court of the United States to fuck off! That demands he be impeached!

Well, if you'd read/parsed my whole comment, you'd have seen where I said it was moot whether or not he was a citizen because that's not what this is about
Obviously I agree such flagrant lack of compliance with the checks and balances set forth in the Constitution (IE, ignoring SCOTUS) calls for more action than wagging a finger even more firmly.
 

UNCjigga

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Well, this is getting way off track....

The point of the tread is about Trump telling the Supreme Court of the United States to fuck off! That demands he be impeached!

Yes…but SCOTUS gave TrumpCo leeway to ignore them with their watered down “facilitate” language, so that means a majority of SCOTUS is actually fine with being ignored. This isn’t just a constitutional crisis…it’s a crisis that America’s already lost.
 
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APU_Fusion

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Yes…but SCOTUS gave TrumpCo leeway to ignore them with their watered down “facilitate” language, so that means a majority of SCOTUS is actually fine with being ignored. This isn’t just a constitutional crisis…it’s a crisis that America’s already lost.
I understand why the SCOTUS ruled that effectuate was the wrong word because the Executive deals with foreign affairs. However, with the government soon to be contempt for not even facilitating his return this is where it gets interesting for the SCOTUS. The Executive is now abdicating their oath to Constitution by defying a ruling by the SCOTUS against them. The rule of law dies here if he is not returned. As such the President, vice President and all down the line who refuse the SCOTUS ruling must be impeached and convicted.

Otherwise we are now a monarchy.
 

Jaskalas

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Trump has blatantly ignored the Supreme Court of the United States
Who do you think wants Trump to do that?
Congress has handed Trump the reigns.
We have an Emperor now. There is no Congress, and sure as hell no Court. Do they have guns, are they going to use them? No? Then they do not matter. The US is ruled by force and only the executive wields it.
 
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APU_Fusion

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Who do you think wants Trump to do that?
Congress has handed Trump the reigns.
We have an Emperor now. There is no Congress, and sure as hell no Court. Do they have guns, are they going to use them? No? Then they do not matter. The US is ruled by force and only the executive wields it.
It is a veneer at this point. Unless the military who is left that is loyal to the constitution steps in a civil war is inevitable. I certainly wont go quietly. What a sad end. Whether in months or years or decades America is over.

Democrats should introduce articles everyday against them all as oath breakers and traitors. Will be interesting too see how long before the democrats in Congress are arrested.
 
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It will not succeed but it doesn’t matter. The way you build a movement is things like this.

Articles of impeachment need to be submitted to the house. It’s the right thing to do.
If only places like the NYT would meet the moment with wall-to-wall, sustained, negative coverage like they did when they wanted to make Biden's age an issue.
 

fskimospy

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If only places like the NYT would meet the moment with wall-to-wall, sustained, negative coverage like they did when they wanted to make Biden's age an issue.
The NYT also recognized a dire threat to the republic when Hillary Clinton had a private email server in the same way her two predecessors did.

I just went to their mobile app and they are talking about Harvard, not the president wanting to send citizens to gulags.

I’m as shocked as you are.
 

Moonbeam

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JFC , this is so sad, he has 34 counts of felonious fraud against him, by a jury of his peers. He should not be where he is. Seem to be time for armaments.
Since one party is full of gun lover nuts and the other full of gun hater nuts it seems to me that owing to the fact that a well regulated militia is required to counter Federal abuse and since also the gun loving nut crowd will be where all the Nazis are, any hope for a 2nd amendment cure for the mess we are in would only make it worse. Long ago the liberals decided to trust their safety to police forces, the very power centers that will be turned against them.

You could say that liberals are fools but what would be the point. Liberal thinking makes good sense in a liberal society. A rational society shouldn't need any guns, but I have never seen one since Reagan.
 

Moonbeam

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The NYT also recognized a dire threat to the republic when Hillary Clinton had a private email server in the same way her two predecessors did.

I just went to their mobile app and they are talking about Harvard, not the president wanting to send citizens to gulags.

I’m as shocked as you are.
CEO's of corporations don't need to interfere in the editorial content of news papers they own because they don't have to. Stockholm victims are very well trained.
 

MtnMan

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Who do you think wants Trump to do that?
Congress has handed Trump the reigns.
We have an Emperor now. There is no Congress, and sure as hell no Court. Do they have guns, are they going to use them? No? Then they do not matter. The US is ruled by force and only the executive wields it.
I agree with your view of congress, and they should be tried for treason for their inaction.
 
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