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Exterous

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Love it! I have my panels up but still building the system. I have the inverter and am ordering the battery shortly.
Good luck with the install!
Wait until your first outage at night when all your neighbors houses are dark and you have lights.
Yeah the smug feeling will probably be pretty strong when that happens
and no noisy generator. Even the quiet ones aren't all that quiet. Always a drone going in the background.
And no real maintenance to speak of. No oil to change. No issues if I can get gas or natural gas can't get to my house for whatever reason
 
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dullard

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One thing to consider is with the right Inverter you should be able to hook-up a generator to the inverter to charge the batteries. This is kind of the best of both worlds, generator to charge the batteries if they get low but then you can turn off the generator once the batteries are charged.
I do agree that is the best of both worlds. I almost did that myself. But, eventually just went with all batteries since I didn't want to have to mess with motor maintenance of the generator. It would be a sad day if the backup power was out because the carburetor was gummed up on the day you need it or some other similar issue. The fossil fuel generators that were well-rated all had ~$200/year maintenance that were supposed to be applied (many people ignore that though). But, I also kept my power backup needs low--no reason to have AC it is just a luxury to me even when temperatures are above 100°F. So a simple battery backup does well.

One thing to note: many battery inverters require pure sine wave generators. So, not any old generator will work when combining the two methods.
 
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Brovane

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I do agree that is the best of both worlds. I almost did that myself. But, eventually just went with all batteries since I didn't want to have to mess with motor maintenance of the generator. The fossil fuel generators that were well-rated all had ~$200/year maintenance that were supposed to be applied (many people ignore that though). But, I also kept my power backup needs low--no reason to have AC it is just a luxury to me even when temperatures are above 100°F. So a simple battery backup does well.

One thing to note: many battery inverters require pure sine wave generators. So, not any old generator will work when combining the two methods.

If you run a generator to empty (get all the gasoline out of the carb) you can store the generator without much hassle. Mine is stored after the gasoline was run out and I just have a trickle charger on the battery to maintain it. What kills portable generators is when people run them and then put them away with gasoline still in the carb. I also plan to just run my generator on propane bring it out when necessary. Running the generator on propane keeps everything much cleaner. My plan was just to have all the cabling done to have it ready. Just hasn't been a priority to get this done, other projects keep getting higher priority. Then when needed I can roll the generator out, hook-up to my propane line. There is already a capped off line near where my batteries and inverters are located.

My Dad has a hookup that will plug into the 10kw Diesel generator for his RV into his solar inverters to charge his batteries. Where his inverters and batteries are is right near where he parks his RV. Whenever he comes back from a trip, he refills the RV and it has a 150 gallon tank. He has all the wiring done that he can easily hookup the RV generator to his inverters.
 

lxskllr

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have a small portable generator I bought in case of sustained power outage. It's meant to run the sump pump and fridge. Nothing else matters. That of course means I've never had to use it since purchase :^D I do use it to run hedge trimmers on the border of the property once or twice a year. Kinda dumb, but it's a reasonable way to verify operation.

Anyway, it has a shutoff that runs the carb out of fuel before shutting down. You can do it instantly if desired, but running it out of fuel is the preferred method.
 
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skyking

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My battery limitation is 7Kw continuous. I can add one more to get to the maximimum of 11.4Kw from the inverter.
I looked at my critical loads panel as I have it designed, and the 7Kw is really not much of a problem.
I purchased this late last year to complete the home build and I will not let it go.

It has the Kubota 3 cylinder diesel. Pancake 8 KW power head and the combo is rated at 7.5Kw.
L14-30P NEMA twist lock on a 35 amp main breaker.
A pair of 6-20 on a 20. I won't jack this into my panel. Too much monkey motion already with the inverter and critical loads.
I have this breakout plug and 100 and 50 of cords for it.


I could drag it in and plug my 3 HP cast iron cabinet saw to the pass through and run some other tools on the outlets.
 
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dullard

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If you run a generator to empty (get all the gasoline out of the carb) you can store the generator without much hassle.
Wish that worked for me. I have two engines (Ariens snow blower and no-name pressure washer) that both gum up even when running to empty at the end of each use. I've tried everything under the sun and they still won't start the next season until the carburetor is removed and cleaned. Small engines and I just don't get along well.

Then you have the oil changes, filters, spark plugs, weekly cleaning of louvers, corrosion removal, electrolyte replacement (depending on model), monthly vibration/noise/leakage checks. All easy stuff to do and many people just skip maintenance. But I just didn't want the cost and trouble.


or for Champion generators:



Maintenance for my batteries is every 4 months I unplug them and then plug them in 3 to 6 days later (Depending on energy usage) when drained.
 
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Red Squirrel

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I bought a used Champion generator last summer for a bit over $100. I did all the wiring so I'm setup so I can connect to my shed, then divert power so that the solar plugs in the house are now generator plugs. Still need to add a battery charger in there so the generator can also top up the solar batteries.

It doesn't start in the cold though, which is when I would most likely need it... so when I build a generator box outside for it I'll want to add a heater. I could run the heater for like half an hour off battery power before I start it.
 

dullard

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You have maintenance on your solar storage batteries?
Many batteries don't like to sit forever at 100% or at 0% (0% is the worst state to store them). Also, as they age their capacity vs voltage characteristics shift slightly (making the % battery left estimates less and less accurate). To solve both of those issues, I drain and recharge them every 4 months. Literally, I unplug it from the wall outlet, then plug it back in once they have drained. The batteries automatically recalibrate the SOC when recharging from 0% to 100%. Is this required? No. But, it keeps them at their best.

I do the same with all batteries in the house. I drain and then recharge them. I just have a phone reminder every 4 months. Before doing this, I used to have cell phone and old tablets batteries die permanently. It hasn't happened even once since I started doing this. My list includes toothbrushes, cell phone chargers, hiking gear such as headlamps, car jump starters, my wife's hand heaters, etc. Anything with a battery that might sit idle for long periods of time.
 
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Brovane

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Many batteries don't like to sit forever at 100% or at 0% (0% is the worst state to store them). Also, as they age their capacity vs voltage characteristics shift slightly (making the % battery left estimates less and less accurate). To solve both of those issues, I drain and recharge them every 4 months. Literally, I unplug it from the wall outlet, then plug it back in once they have drained. The batteries automatically recalibrate the SOC when recharging from 0% to 100%. Is this required? No. But, it keeps them at their best.

I do the same with all batteries in the house. I drain and then recharge them. I just have a phone reminder every 4 months. Before doing this, I used to have cell phone and old tablets batteries die permanently. It hasn't happened even once since I started doing this. My list includes toothbrushes, cell phone chargers, hiking gear such as headlamps, car jump starters, my wife's hand heaters, etc. Anything with a battery that might sit idle for long periods of time.

I have Lithium Iron Phosphate batteries for my solar storage. They are used everyday to provide power to my house when the solar isn't sufficient. I just let the BMS manage them. The cycle life is supposed to be about 5,000-6,000 cycles so I am good for a long time.

The batteries are essentially a bunch of these which are 3.2V 280 Ah LFP Batteries. You put 16 of these together in series and you have a 48V battery that can be used for Storage to power a house. They are all housed in a metal tower that is UL fire rated.

 
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dullard

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I have Lithium Iron Phosphate batteries for my solar storage. They are used everyday to provide power to my house when the solar isn't sufficient. I just let the BMS manage them. The cycle life is supposed to be about 5,000-6,000 cycles so I am good for a long time.

The batteries are essentially a bunch of these which are 3.2V 280 Ah LFP Batteries. You put 16 of these together in series and you have a 48V battery that can be used for Storage to power a house. They are all housed in a metal tower that is UL fire rated.
Those are good batteries. But everything that I said is still true. To maximize their life and for your BMS to actually know how much battery life they have (since this changes over the life of batteries), you should occasionally drain and then refill them. Now if you are fully solar, that might just happen naturally on weeks without much sunlight.

My batteries are for power outages only. So, they could sit for months at the same percentage without the occasional intentional drain.
 
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Brovane

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Those are good batteries. But everything that I said is still true. To maximize their life and for your BMS to actually know how much battery life they have (since this changes over the life of batteries), you should occasionally drain and then refill them. Now if you are fully solar, that might just happen naturally on weeks without much sunlight.

My installer has the Inverter set to stop discharging the batteries at 20%. Usually most of the time if it is fairly consistently sunny I will drain the batteries overnight and will get down to 30-40% and then will get charged up again using solar. My solar-storage batteries are hard-wired so there really isn't anything to unplug. I guess I could disconnect the solar panels from the inverter. However my batteries have never gone below 20% because of how my installer programmed my inverters.
 
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